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re: Steven Adams to Pelicans in Serious Talks
Posted on 11/21/20 at 3:35 pm to bonethug0180
Posted on 11/21/20 at 3:35 pm to bonethug0180
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Wood was never an option though. He was done here. We weren't getting him back. Say goodbye to yesterday. Tuesday's gone.
No shite, we let that boat sail. We burnt that bridge.
The whole conversation started because a poster rightfully pointed out that many of the same people casting aspersions in here to try and shut up any posts that aren’t 100% Griffin ball chortling and sunshine pumping we’re doing the same thing last season when we let Wood go. Calling him little more than trash and in Tiger’s case, telling anyone that doesn’t agree with Griffin’s thinking of prioritizing Melli and Okafor over Wood, leading to him asking out, to kick rocks.
Which I made note of as he came in here doing the same thing as last year to those of us skeptical of the short or long term value of this trade.
Adams is a fine center and an upgrade from Favors. He can also be someone that reasonable people think is not the best use of our assets. That feels like ultimately an empty move because he doesn’t likely project to be a player that will be a anchoring center when we are capable of actually being a championship squad, if he is even with us past this season...
This post was edited on 11/21/20 at 3:37 pm
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Posted on 11/21/20 at 3:37 pm to Bronc
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There is nothing that is holding back that duo defensively except time and development.
except Wood's history. he's been in the NBA what? 5 years now? he's sucked on defense every year
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Wood is not a finished product
he's 25. there isn't a long track records of major improvements in defense of NBA players after 25. that's after the end of the typical developmental arc and the start of the prime
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And Wood is the type of contract that isn’t going to lose value.
bullshite. he can DEFINITELY lose value
he has the potential to be an unplayable player (on a good team) next year
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He’ll get you a first round today or in two years because he has a coveted skillset, regardless of whether his defense meets its potential.
then why didn't he get more in FA? hell, why did the Pistons join the club of about 20% of the NBA that had Wood and passed?
Posted on 11/21/20 at 3:38 pm to SlowFlowPro
You must be into BDSM. I’m not sure how you can endure so much pain.
Posted on 11/21/20 at 3:44 pm to Bronc
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Unless you think Hayes is also a future bust next to Zion?
As Wood is a slender 6’10 center with a 7’4 wingspan
Hayes is, wait for it, a slender 6’11 center with a 7’4 wingspan.
“Slender” .. be more disingenuous
Hayes is a 220 lb 20 year old
Wood is a 214 lb 25 year old
Hayes took 85% of his shots at the rim. He’s not being groomed to be anything like Wood, they aren’t even really comparable. Hayes’ focus will be defense and cleaning up at the rim. Wood is destined to be an instant offense 6th man type. He is closer to being a wing tweener than he is a 4/5
Posted on 11/21/20 at 3:45 pm to SlowFlowPro
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yes how could a post talking about wood in the first paragraph and wood in the second paragraph POSSIBLY lead to reading comprehension that the third paragraph (where no name was used) was also talking about Wood?
Every paragraph directly touched on something Tiger specifically mentioned. And if it was that confusing, maybe instead of assholish trolling attempts you just get clarification?
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so, MR. "reading comprehension", please explain how those 2 responses are "some gotcha moment" that i "rushed to troll"
You also said this:
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yeah his comments in that post are dishonest EVERYONE would rather have received Turner instead of Adams
Which again, entirely relies upon you not reading the conversation you interjected into. Where I am specifically responding to a poster who laid out that specific hypothetical.
So it’s clear you didn’t ever bother to read the conversation from its entirety because you would have realized Tiger mentioned a hypothetical involving the EXACT same pieces but for Turner. Which also would have prevented you from confusing Wood as the focal point of that paragraph.
Again, just taking some time and being respectful, that’s all it would take.
Posted on 11/21/20 at 3:52 pm to Bronc
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Every paragraph directly touched on something Tiger specifically mentioned. And if it was that confusing, maybe instead of assholish trolling attempts you just get clarification?
you mean like me asking you directly for defensive data? like that?
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Which again, entirely relies upon you not reading the conversation you interjected into. Where I am specifically responding to a poster who laid out that specific hypothetical.
dude between you clarifying your initial confusing post to me and the post of mine you quoted, i told MULTIPLE people in this thread you were talking about turner to clarify that confusing post. i knew you were talking about turner PAGES before the comment you just quoted
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So it’s clear you didn’t ever bother to read the conversation from its entirety
i hope you have a mirror handy
Posted on 11/21/20 at 3:53 pm to GynoSandberg
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Wood is a 214 lb 25 year old
Hayes took 85% of his shots at the rim. He’s not being groomed to be anything like Wood, they aren’t even really comparable. Hayes’ focus will be defense and cleaning up at the rim. Wood is destined to be an instant offense 6th man type. He is closer to being a wing tweener than he is a 4/5
Those measurements are from the draft...in 2015..
LINK
The rest sounds like someone that hasn’t actually watched him play. A wing tweener, Jesus lol, quick way to out oneself on the credibility front.
This post was edited on 11/21/20 at 3:55 pm
Posted on 11/21/20 at 3:54 pm to SlowFlowPro
I don't know what's the most cancerous
1. Our FA period or;
2. This thread
1. Our FA period or;
2. This thread
Posted on 11/21/20 at 4:01 pm to Pelefraan 1
This thread is a frickin shite show and full of stupid. It needs to be anchored!
Posted on 11/21/20 at 4:01 pm to SlowFlowPro
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you mean like me asking you directly for defensive data? like that?
Jesus dude you just love to argue huh?
You asked for data, I went out of my way to find that info to give you, then you added an addendum to another posters ignorant troll after I did that, which clearly established you didn’t bother to read the conversation in its entirety. Hence explaining the demand for data(which maybe on its own is understandable), but then comes the statement that threw around insults as if it was me that just randomly claimed we could get Myles for the Adams deal and using that to pile on and troll me. When it would become obvious to anyone that bothered reading Tiger’s post that I was referencing his hypothetical...A hypothetical I even quoted to make sure people wouldn’t do what you went ahead and did anyways
This post was edited on 11/21/20 at 4:05 pm
Posted on 11/21/20 at 4:04 pm to Bronc
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The rest sounds like someone that hasn’t actually watched him play. A wing tweener, Jesus lol, quick way to out oneself on the credibility front.
ok Mr per 36 stat guy. I was talking about signing Wood on here back in 2018 before you even knew who he was. You don’t even realize everything you like about Wood lends itself to him being a 3 or 4 on the court. You’re over here talking about him banging with the 5s @ 215 lbsPosted on 11/21/20 at 4:15 pm to GynoSandberg
Wood is a 4/5 that can switch onto threes and some guards for a short burst, which is part of what makes his potential so valuable. And would have made him incredibly intriguing next to Zion. Two big men that have the potential in their primes to be able to guard 3-5 and potentially 1 and 2 on switches without being exposed.
If wood is still 215 than I guess AD is still 220 if we are to assume players at age 19 don’t put on more weight in the pros.
And again, we can go to the numbers, a defensive rim percentage in line with Steven Adams and a net rating that jumped 25 points based on whether he was on the court or not in Detroit. Was 3 points better vs him off the court in his stints pre Detroit. Where he is playing a majority of his minutes at the five.
If wood is still 215 than I guess AD is still 220 if we are to assume players at age 19 don’t put on more weight in the pros.
And again, we can go to the numbers, a defensive rim percentage in line with Steven Adams and a net rating that jumped 25 points based on whether he was on the court or not in Detroit. Was 3 points better vs him off the court in his stints pre Detroit. Where he is playing a majority of his minutes at the five.
This post was edited on 11/21/20 at 4:17 pm
Posted on 11/21/20 at 4:21 pm to Bronc
Can everyone just shut up about Christian Wood? Y'all have beat the subject to death, and the discussion is only very tangentially related to the topic.
Posted on 11/21/20 at 4:33 pm to Bronc
I’d be happy to entertain an updated weight for Wood. Do you have one?
Do you have a link to Wood’s minutes at the 5? Adams has logged 14k minutes at the position, we have some pretty good data on his production. Some of Detroit’s most popular lineups with Wood include Thon Maker, Marcus Morris, John Henson and Drummond being on the court. Would like to see how much run he got as a 5 if you’re willing to share the data
And of course, his on/off data will look great. I don’t think it’s a stretch to call him their best player on a bad team once Griffin and Drummond were no more
Do you have a link to Wood’s minutes at the 5? Adams has logged 14k minutes at the position, we have some pretty good data on his production. Some of Detroit’s most popular lineups with Wood include Thon Maker, Marcus Morris, John Henson and Drummond being on the court. Would like to see how much run he got as a 5 if you’re willing to share the data
And of course, his on/off data will look great. I don’t think it’s a stretch to call him their best player on a bad team once Griffin and Drummond were no more
Posted on 11/21/20 at 4:37 pm to GynoSandberg
Drummond was the 5 the majority of the time. He's just making that part up.
And if I'm not mistaken Henson plays 4 and 5, which means Wood was playing a big wing role at the 3.
And if I'm not mistaken Henson plays 4 and 5, which means Wood was playing a big wing role at the 3.
This post was edited on 11/21/20 at 4:39 pm
Posted on 11/21/20 at 4:41 pm to bonethug0180
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He's just making that part up.
summary of his entire "argument"
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And if I'm not mistaken Henson plays 4 and 5, which means Wood was playing a big wing role at the 3.
i was waiting for some of y'all to start disecting this projection of Wood being a 5
Posted on 11/21/20 at 4:45 pm to SlowFlowPro
Also on the weight argument, everywhere I look lists him at 214 lbs. and he looks rail thin.
Meanwhile Anthony Davis is listed at 253 lbs. So why would they update his weight and not Wood?
Meanwhile Anthony Davis is listed at 253 lbs. So why would they update his weight and not Wood?
Posted on 11/21/20 at 4:50 pm to bonethug0180
I hate each and every one of you who continues to flog this dead horse and I hope you all die by Crucifixtion as a super ironic way to go
Posted on 11/21/20 at 5:00 pm to Pelefraan 1
I mean if you're bored by it there are other threads.
Some of us enjoy playing pile on.
Some of us enjoy playing pile on.
This post was edited on 11/21/20 at 5:00 pm
Posted on 11/21/20 at 5:04 pm to SlowFlowPro
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i was waiting for some of y'all to start disecting this projection of Wood being a 5
It looks like his two most efficient lineups were with frontcourt partners Henson (who definitely guarded opposing centers more often) or Kief Morris. Kieff is a bit shorter but has 25lbs+ on Wood, so I'd assume he also generally handled opposing 5's.
I liked Wood and was disappointed that we gave into his release request last year. I get that giving into those kinds of requests paints the front office in a positive light around the league, but I don't think that the kudos helps us attract free agents.
But it's a moot point, if Wood has a similar 2019-20 for the Pels as he had with the Pistons, then we're not matching this Houston contract unless the front office has a TON of faith in Hayes making the leap this season. Hayes is still raw, and I love Adams as a mentor, a talent, and as one of the few "dawgs" on this team. People were clamoring for CP3 to be that vocal vet presence on the team. Adams obviously isn't as good of a talent or leader, but he cost us a lot less. Plus Adams may very well fit with our hopeful championship timeline. Some here are acting like he's already in his early 30's, but he'll be 28 at the start of his next contract.
Also, SFP, thanks for the reminder to rewatch IT Crowd. Despite being readily available on streaming, I had to torrent Peep Show after all of the streaming services ditched the blackface episode. I worry that within a decade, the GOAT "I'm disabled" episode will be deemed unacceptable.
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