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re: Steven Adams to Pelicans in Serious Talks
Posted on 11/21/20 at 2:30 pm to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 11/21/20 at 2:30 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Adams plays more winning basketball and doesn't have the attitude Drummond does
It’s a lot easier to play winning basketball when youve been surrounded by HoFers/Allstars your entire career. Drummond is an all star and one of if not the best shot blocking/rebounding centers in the game. Pistons have been a shite show for awhile.
This post was edited on 11/21/20 at 2:32 pm
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Posted on 11/21/20 at 2:30 pm to southdowns84
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That doesn’t excuse you from making absurd claims to support your explanation.
At this point I don’t even know what you are talking about, do you?
You clipped out a conversation where I was explaining why I would have obviously been ok in Tiger’s alternate hypothetical where instead of sending out those assets for Adams we somehow got Turner. Why it’s not myopic but well reasoned and how it’s kind of insulting to frame the few of us in here like that.
This post was edited on 11/21/20 at 2:31 pm
Posted on 11/21/20 at 2:32 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Adams plays more winning basketball and doesn't have the attitude Drummond does
And carries a usg% of like 25
Yeah he’d be great if he would just play defense and rebound and not need the ball
Posted on 11/21/20 at 2:32 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Adams plays more winning basketball and doesn't have the attitude Drummond does
These people just sit here looking at basketball reference.
Adams is fricking awesome and it goes beyond how many points he scores.
Posted on 11/21/20 at 2:32 pm to duyp
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Okafor barely played. When we got Favors, that was when Woods requested it.
The Woods request was a culmination of all the things Griffin was signaling that de-prioritized Woods on the roster and depth chart: Hayes, Favors, Melli, Okafor.
Turns out pretty much everything we needed we already had, and a few of us that stuck around in the dark days of post AD saw the potential. And he has only confirmed it as he went on to Detroit and soon onto Houston after becoming one of the most prized free agents.
Guys good, and I would gladly take him right now for 14 million over 3 years.
Posted on 11/21/20 at 2:33 pm to Bronc
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As for Wood, people should really stop doubting him at this point. A year ago he was trash not worth thinking about according to most here. Griff the lord and savior knows all. Maybe, just maybe, this is one of those times were people can say, you know what, I was wrong, guy has done nothing but prove doubters wrong so why do I continue to be a hater?
i don't "hate" Wood but he's not nearly as good as you're claiming him to be. he's real bad on D and doesn't fit on this team except as a better Melli off the bench. he's definitely better than Okafor but it's irrelevant b/c we'd be stupid to sign him to that deal had we kept him
Posted on 11/21/20 at 2:35 pm to SlowFlowPro
And yet Detroit let him walk and signed a bunch of guys that do the same thing. Everyone who has ever had him has let him go. There were several blue check marks commenting on that yesterday and implying that it’s a Wood thing.
Posted on 11/21/20 at 2:38 pm to GynoSandberg
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Yeah he’d be great if he would just play defense and rebound and not need the ball
why i brought up attitude
Adams could put up much better totals if he played on a shite team and demanded the ball more
doing the dirty work at an elite level without complaining is rare in the NBA
Posted on 11/21/20 at 2:40 pm to Fun Bunch
He has a bad attitude and doesn't give a frick about playing defense. Woods is shite.
Posted on 11/21/20 at 2:40 pm to SlowFlowPro
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i don't "hate" Wood but he's not nearly as good as you're claiming him to be. he's real bad on D and doesn't fit on this team except as a better Melli off the bench. he's definitely better than Okafor but it's irrelevant b/c we'd be stupid to sign him to that deal had we kept him
100% disagree besides the defense, which he’s steadily improved and has all the tools to be a very good one. 14 million for a 24 year old, 6’10 center, who’s per 36 is 22 and 10 with 39% shooting from three, can take guys off the dribble and run the court with anyone is not something you find every day. If Hayes can do that in three years people will be going nuts.
But I’ll gladly keep this thread bookmarked to revisit it again next season.
Posted on 11/21/20 at 2:43 pm to Bronc
And yet with the way the team is built we NEED our center to be a defensive force, not a liability.
Posted on 11/21/20 at 2:44 pm to Fun Bunch
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And yet Detroit let him walk and signed a bunch of guys that do the same thing. Everyone who has ever had him has let him go. There were several blue check marks commenting on that yesterday and implying that it’s a Wood thing.
They didn’t let him walk, he left. End of story.
As to his supposed attitude, let me see the receipts
Posted on 11/21/20 at 2:44 pm to Bronc
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100% disagree besides the defense
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14 million for a 24 year old, 6’10 center, who’s per 36 is 22 and 10 with 39% shooting from three, can take guys off the dribble and run the court with anyone is not something you find every day.
cool. Zion is better.
he can't play with Zion
so you're OK paying $14M/year for a backup big?
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If Hayes can do that in three years people will be going nuts.
Hayes isn't being developed to "take guys off the dribble". he's a rim runner defender prospect who may be able to develop a shot
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But I’ll gladly keep this thread bookmarked to revisit it again next season.
to do what, exactly?
yes or no: are you arguing that Zion and Wood can play winning basketball together as starters?
Posted on 11/21/20 at 2:44 pm to Bronc
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You clipped out a conversation where I was explaining why I would have obviously been ok in Tiger’s alternate hypothetical where instead of sending out those assets for Adams we somehow got Turner. Why it’s not myopic but well reasoned and how it’s kind of insulting to frame the few of us in here like that.
I clipped the part of the conversation where you talked about acquiring a young, ELITE rim protecting stretch 5 on a MULTI YEAR deal under 10m for trash.
That’s completely unreasonable. Tiger didn’t even suggest that as a possibility either.
I don’t know what you’re upset about here.
Posted on 11/21/20 at 2:46 pm to southdowns84
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I clipped the part of the conversation where you talked about acquiring a young, ELITE rim protecting stretch 5 on a MULTI YEAR deal under 10m for trash.
That’s completely unreasonable. Tiger didn’t even suggest that as a possibility either.
he brought him up implying it was wood when he apparently wasn't even talking about wood
Posted on 11/21/20 at 2:46 pm to Bronc
I’m not sure why myopic triggered you, but I didn’t mean it as an insult or aimed exclusively at you. I meant it more in a perfect is the enemy of good sense because I think the focus on getting a defensive stretch 5 is leading to people devaluing non stretch 5s. Our offense was fine with Favors, it will be fine with Adams.
Also, regarding Wood, I don’t think he changes this situation any other than possibly being a S&T asset if the Pels had kept him.
Also, regarding Wood, I don’t think he changes this situation any other than possibly being a S&T asset if the Pels had kept him.
Posted on 11/21/20 at 2:47 pm to Bronc
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one of the most prized free agents.
14 million over 3 years.
creating quite the narrative there bubba Posted on 11/21/20 at 2:49 pm to GynoSandberg
Didn't you know 4 and a half mil a year players are all the rage. No one wants to sign for big money, $20 mil per deals.
Posted on 11/21/20 at 2:51 pm to SlowFlowPro
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cool. Zion is better.
he can't play with Zion
so you're OK paying $14M/year for a backup big?
Are you trolling or just stupid? Serious question.
Zion is an around the rim power forward and Wood is a stretch center with the ability to run the floor and take people off the dribble and get to the line, with all the tools to develop into a well rounded two-way player, and has been trending that way every season. Last year posting a DFG% of 54% within 6 feet. Which if you are following puts him barely worse off than Steven Adams and better than where Favors was last season. His issues are developing instincts and better overall team defense, much like all our young guys are working on.
You either haven’t watched him actually play or have some very weird concept of how players fit on a basketball floor together if you can’t wrap your head around how that archetype of player would fit with Zion long term
Posted on 11/21/20 at 2:52 pm to GynoSandberg
yeah i almost went there. this conversation is bananas
if you're going to die on a hill, don't do it for a "prized" FA who signs for a midlevel-level deal
if you're going to die on a hill, don't do it for a "prized" FA who signs for a midlevel-level deal
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