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re: Steven Adams to Pelicans in Serious Talks
Posted on 11/21/20 at 5:07 pm to lovepurplelivegold14
Posted on 11/21/20 at 5:07 pm to lovepurplelivegold14
huh?
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Posted on 11/21/20 at 5:11 pm to GynoSandberg
Seems to me you are asking for a whole lot of info that you would imagine someone making such sweeping declarations about a player would have at least a passing familiarity with coming into this conversation?
Which would imply most of your comments so far have been entiriely based around things other than observation or data.
To the point I get the strong impression this is a sealioning attempt and a troll.
But because I have grown tired as well, I’ll point out a few things and leave you an article at the bottom.
Wood’s primary lineup in Detroit involved:
.D. Rose, .M. Morris, .L. Galloway, .C. Wood, .S. Mykhailiuk
Wood played center and that lineup was amongst the best Detroit put out:
131 off rating, 98.8 def rating
His next most used lineup involved Thon Maker, and it was decidedly a step down, 110 off rating, 108 def rating.
Speckled in you have lineups with Henson where they sort of both assume anchor roles at times, and you have Drummond. You also have variations of Wood at center.
As an interior defender he posted a DFG% of 54.6%, putting him in line with guys like Steven Adams at 53.9% on the year. A DPM of 1.99, a RPM of 3.53(putting him at 16th in the league in some pretty elite company).
What seems clear both watching him and in the numbers is he is better defensively than his reputation today, and he has unicorn like potential in being a complete two way stretch 4/5 with the ability to switch onto most players and still be a very good rim protector. His passing needs work, which he acknowledges, and he needs to clean up the mental lapses on defense, but he’s been steadily improving on that front and his coaches praised him on his drive to improve on his weaknesses.
This article breaks down Wood a bit more and Kevin O Connor recently did a piece with a lot more interpersonal details as well:
LINK
LINK
Which would imply most of your comments so far have been entiriely based around things other than observation or data.
To the point I get the strong impression this is a sealioning attempt and a troll.
But because I have grown tired as well, I’ll point out a few things and leave you an article at the bottom.
Wood’s primary lineup in Detroit involved:
.D. Rose, .M. Morris, .L. Galloway, .C. Wood, .S. Mykhailiuk
Wood played center and that lineup was amongst the best Detroit put out:
131 off rating, 98.8 def rating
His next most used lineup involved Thon Maker, and it was decidedly a step down, 110 off rating, 108 def rating.
Speckled in you have lineups with Henson where they sort of both assume anchor roles at times, and you have Drummond. You also have variations of Wood at center.
As an interior defender he posted a DFG% of 54.6%, putting him in line with guys like Steven Adams at 53.9% on the year. A DPM of 1.99, a RPM of 3.53(putting him at 16th in the league in some pretty elite company).
What seems clear both watching him and in the numbers is he is better defensively than his reputation today, and he has unicorn like potential in being a complete two way stretch 4/5 with the ability to switch onto most players and still be a very good rim protector. His passing needs work, which he acknowledges, and he needs to clean up the mental lapses on defense, but he’s been steadily improving on that front and his coaches praised him on his drive to improve on his weaknesses.
This article breaks down Wood a bit more and Kevin O Connor recently did a piece with a lot more interpersonal details as well:
LINK
LINK
This post was edited on 11/21/20 at 5:29 pm
Posted on 11/21/20 at 5:25 pm to Bronc
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Seems to me you are asking for a whole lot of info that you would imagine someone making such sweeping declarations about a player would have at least a passing familiarity with coming into this conversation?
Asking for a lot of info? What
I asked for his weight and how many minutes at the 5 bc you took umbrage with my claim that he weighed 214 and wasn’t primarily a 5
And of course I only asked bc I already had the answers and knew you wouldn’t
Posted on 11/21/20 at 5:28 pm to GynoSandberg
Can we reroute steven adams plus a pick to the pacers for Miles Turner or Orlando for Nikola
Posted on 11/21/20 at 5:29 pm to GynoSandberg
He hasn’t updated his weight since the draft, but if you truly think that Wood still weighs 215, the same weight he did at 19, you’re a fricking moron
Posted on 11/21/20 at 5:31 pm to Saintsntigers04
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Can we reroute steven adams plus a pick to the pacers for Miles Turner or Orlando for Nikola
boy has this thread turned into a shitshow
Posted on 11/21/20 at 5:31 pm to Pelefraan 1
Bronc
Posted on 11/21/20 at 5:34 pm to Bronc
quote:
He hasn’t updated his weight since the draft
didn't the NBA go out of their way recently to put accurate heights and weights on their profiles?
Posted on 11/21/20 at 5:34 pm to Bronc
The article basically looks at just his 12 starts and makes it seem like he's the best player ever, while eventually admitting he had several DNP-Coaches Decision because he sucked on defense.
Seriously this is a dude who had 12 starts last year in 62 games, who is being made out to be some all star player by you and this writer (one in the same perhaps).
And the article also said he only weighs about 215 lbs.
Edit:
And he also didn't consistently start until the last 7 games of the season, when the Pistons were already done. He started 11 of the last 13 games on a team just trying to make it to the end of the year.
Edit2:
They also only won 1 of the 12 games he started. So those fancy numbers about them being better with him on the floor really mean jack.
Seriously this is a dude who had 12 starts last year in 62 games, who is being made out to be some all star player by you and this writer (one in the same perhaps).
And the article also said he only weighs about 215 lbs.
Edit:
And he also didn't consistently start until the last 7 games of the season, when the Pistons were already done. He started 11 of the last 13 games on a team just trying to make it to the end of the year.
Edit2:
They also only won 1 of the 12 games he started. So those fancy numbers about them being better with him on the floor really mean jack.
This post was edited on 11/21/20 at 5:43 pm
Posted on 11/21/20 at 5:38 pm to Saintsntigers04
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Can we reroute steven adams plus a pick to the pacers for Miles Turner or Orlando for Nikola
I've found something stronger than cancer in this thread
This post was edited on 11/21/20 at 5:39 pm
Posted on 11/21/20 at 5:40 pm to SlowFlowPro
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didn't the NBA go out of their way recently to put accurate heights and weights on their profiles?
If you want to find where it is confirmed Wood hasn’t gained a pound since the draft, go for it. I’d say common sense and human body development would make it very hard in this league, with the training and nutrition, to not gain weight post draft.
But here’s the thing, if you all want to have your moment, you’ll have the opportunity. Wood, barring some unforeseen acquisition, will be the primary five in Houston.
If he truly can’t handle it in a more full time capacity, we’ll know by the end of the season.
But so far everything points towards his favor.
Posted on 11/21/20 at 5:46 pm to bonethug0180
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The article basically looks at just his 12 starts and makes it seem like he's the best player ever, while eventually admitting he had several DNP-Coaches Decision because he sucked on defense.
I seriously worry about you all sometimes:
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It hasn’t been all smooth sailing for Wood in Detroit. There have been times this season when Pistons coach Dwane Casey benched Wood and gave him DNP-CDs because he wasn’t executing the team’s defensive scheme correctly. Being in the right place at the right time on defense allowed him to eventually stay on the floor and show what else he could do.
Guy struggled early to adapt to the new scheme and overcame the struggles to be an incredibly efficient and productive player that coaches have praised. How you read that and came to the conclusion that “eventually they admitted he sucks at defense” is some max level literary contortion.
Posted on 11/21/20 at 5:51 pm to Bronc
Where does it say they praised his defense? He literally only started the last string of games because they were 19-34 before that. Because it took him 50 games before he "got it" on defense for a team that didn't give a frick any more.
And 50 games isn't struggling early. He struggled the majority of the season.
And 50 games isn't struggling early. He struggled the majority of the season.
This post was edited on 11/21/20 at 5:52 pm
Posted on 11/21/20 at 5:55 pm to Bronc
This lingering obsession you guys have with Christian Wood, years after he played 5 games for the Pels, surely can't be real.
This post was edited on 11/21/20 at 5:57 pm
Posted on 11/21/20 at 5:56 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:
didn't the NBA go out of their way recently to put accurate heights and weights on their profiles?
Pretty sure that it, for veterans, it was just height.
Posted on 11/21/20 at 5:59 pm to Pelefraan 1
With Wood? No. With showing this guy he's vastly overrating a backup stretch 4 with a nice shot and no d? It's a boring Saturday.
Posted on 11/21/20 at 6:13 pm to bonethug0180
The larger question I have is who is the person that gets so invested in owning someone and defending their negative prognostication of a player they clearly have never even watched a full game of or looked at their performance in depth until someone like me brought him up?
because my man, you haven’t really brought anything to the table so far but your “hunches”(uh I think he played mostly with Drummond, and at the 3) yet seem to think some snarky remarks in lieu of any substance do anything but show a certain patheticness.
because my man, you haven’t really brought anything to the table so far but your “hunches”(uh I think he played mostly with Drummond, and at the 3) yet seem to think some snarky remarks in lieu of any substance do anything but show a certain patheticness.
Posted on 11/21/20 at 6:15 pm to bonethug0180
If Christian Woods was so good, why did Detroit let him go for 13 million a year? Also why would they draft and pick up 2 FA Centers after that?
Posted on 11/21/20 at 6:26 pm to duyp
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If Christian Woods was so good, why did Detroit let him go for 13 million a year? Also why would they draft and pick up 2 FA Centers after that?
Speculation locally and nationally was he didn’t want to go back.
The team is in the dumps and he was in high demand.
Cant say I think Houston was the wisest choice, but he’ll get the chance to start and prove himself as he has wanted.
And to be clear I don’t think Wood is some max player, but I do think he is a guy that will earn every bit of that salary and then some because he has the mix of physical talent, drive, and demonstrated progression that suggests he isn’t about to just rest on his laurels.
Posted on 11/21/20 at 6:30 pm to duyp
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If Christian Woods was so good, why did Detroit let him go?
Because a bear shite in him
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Also why would they draft and pick up 2 FA Centers after that?
Everyone knows the Detroit front office has no fricking idea what they are doing and just make it up as they go along
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