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Solutions to Klutch
Posted on 9/2/21 at 11:19 am
Posted on 9/2/21 at 11:19 am
Spinoff thread. How do teams fight back against Lebron/Paul/Klutch?
Most of these ideas are probably not realistic but I'm throwing shite at the wall to see if anything sticks.
Ideas:
You can avoid signing Klutch clients but you can't stop them from switching once they're on the team.
Would it be possible to write language into the contract that if they sign with Klutch after signing their deal, a certain amount of money is void? Like an anti signing bonus?
Write language into the contract that the player cannot request a trade to Miami, NY, Brooklyn, LAL, LAC. Sort of like a no-trade clause but for the team's benefit.
Structure contracts so that if a player requests a trade, their contract is no longer guaranteed. They can be cut outright and go to their preferred destination but their team is not on the hook for their salary and the Lakers or whoever has to figure out a way to fit the new salary in.
Neither probably works. I think the best ultimate solution has to come at the league level.
In the Simmons/Harden/Davis situations an independent arbitrator needs to investigate any alleged tanking on the player's behalf. So if Simmons requests a trade and the Sixers say F you, and he pouts and becomes a cancer, this independent party investigates.
They could look for things like social media posts demanding trades, interview teammates/coaches, analyze statistics (pre-trade request vs. post-trade request). It gets hard because hustle isn't easy to quantifiably measure. But basically but sides could present evidence to why the player is/isn't sabotaging the team.
If they rule in favor of the team, Simmons forfeits his salary, is suspended from the league, ane the Sixers are given a cap exception to replace him.
Agents of players found guilty of sabotage are fined/suspended.
Again, none of these are realistic probably. But what would work, is the small markets to form an alliance and blackball Klutch to the best of their ability.
In the meantime, the Pels need to be smart. Do deep due diligence on all player acquisitions and try to select players who are not into the typical NBA start shite like terrible fashion and cheesy clubs.
Most of these ideas are probably not realistic but I'm throwing shite at the wall to see if anything sticks.
Ideas:
You can avoid signing Klutch clients but you can't stop them from switching once they're on the team.
Would it be possible to write language into the contract that if they sign with Klutch after signing their deal, a certain amount of money is void? Like an anti signing bonus?
Write language into the contract that the player cannot request a trade to Miami, NY, Brooklyn, LAL, LAC. Sort of like a no-trade clause but for the team's benefit.
Structure contracts so that if a player requests a trade, their contract is no longer guaranteed. They can be cut outright and go to their preferred destination but their team is not on the hook for their salary and the Lakers or whoever has to figure out a way to fit the new salary in.
Neither probably works. I think the best ultimate solution has to come at the league level.
In the Simmons/Harden/Davis situations an independent arbitrator needs to investigate any alleged tanking on the player's behalf. So if Simmons requests a trade and the Sixers say F you, and he pouts and becomes a cancer, this independent party investigates.
They could look for things like social media posts demanding trades, interview teammates/coaches, analyze statistics (pre-trade request vs. post-trade request). It gets hard because hustle isn't easy to quantifiably measure. But basically but sides could present evidence to why the player is/isn't sabotaging the team.
If they rule in favor of the team, Simmons forfeits his salary, is suspended from the league, ane the Sixers are given a cap exception to replace him.
Agents of players found guilty of sabotage are fined/suspended.
Again, none of these are realistic probably. But what would work, is the small markets to form an alliance and blackball Klutch to the best of their ability.
In the meantime, the Pels need to be smart. Do deep due diligence on all player acquisitions and try to select players who are not into the typical NBA start shite like terrible fashion and cheesy clubs.
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Posted on 9/2/21 at 11:34 am to ghost2most
Once James retires, the agency is going to lose a lot of sway and it will diminish somewhat. But it does what it is designed to do and Paul is an effective leader. He gets things done and gets the players where they want to go. I don't understand why they want to go certain places. But his clients seem overall happy.
Honestly I don't understand our organizational direction anyway. If it were me, the team would be all rookie contracts and I'd happily ship guys before they signed an extension. Klutch would love my FO..
Honestly I don't understand our organizational direction anyway. If it were me, the team would be all rookie contracts and I'd happily ship guys before they signed an extension. Klutch would love my FO..
Posted on 9/2/21 at 11:52 am to ghost2most
Boycott's never work and I'm not sure there are really any CBA remedies. The Player's Union certifies agents and it doesn't really make sense for the league to be the ones doing that. Even if they did, would the league really threaten to decertify Klutch? Boss Stern probably would have, but that doesn't seem like Silver's style.
The best solution is one the owners won't go for because they already made their decision on it. Player empowerment is a response to artificially low wages that are the result of max contracts. Max contracts are the result of teams being scared of the amount of power/responsibility given to a single player when Kevin Garnett got the first $100 million contract.
Imagine a system without max contracts where John Wall was making $60-$70 million instead of $40-$45. That single large contract could derail a franchise for the better part of a decade if catastrophic injury were to occur like it did with Wall, who also is a good illustration of "not quite a franchise player but he's the best you have so he gets the big money slot".
I just don't see the owners going away from max contracts over this.
The best solution is one the owners won't go for because they already made their decision on it. Player empowerment is a response to artificially low wages that are the result of max contracts. Max contracts are the result of teams being scared of the amount of power/responsibility given to a single player when Kevin Garnett got the first $100 million contract.
Imagine a system without max contracts where John Wall was making $60-$70 million instead of $40-$45. That single large contract could derail a franchise for the better part of a decade if catastrophic injury were to occur like it did with Wall, who also is a good illustration of "not quite a franchise player but he's the best you have so he gets the big money slot".
I just don't see the owners going away from max contracts over this.
Posted on 9/2/21 at 11:58 am to ghost2most
quote:
You can avoid signing Klutch clients but you can't stop them from switching once they're on the team.
Would it be possible to write language into the contract that if they sign with Klutch after signing their deal, a certain amount of money is void? Like an anti signing bonus?
Write language into the contract that the player cannot request a trade to Miami, NY, Brooklyn, LAL, LAC. Sort of like a no-trade clause but for the team's benefit.
Structure contracts so that if a player requests a trade, their contract is no longer guaranteed. They can be cut outright and go to their preferred destination but their team is not on the hook for their salary and the Lakers or whoever has to figure out a way to fit the new salary in.
none of that is possible, the standard player contract is a collectively bargained terms and conditions. only variables are years/money/options
Posted on 9/2/21 at 1:39 pm to TigerinATL
quote:
The best solution is one the owners won't go for because they already made their decision on it. Player empowerment is a response to artificially low wages that are the result of max contracts. Max contracts are the result of teams being scared of the amount of power/responsibility given to a single player when Kevin Garnett got the first $100 million contract.
But there is a set pool of money. Max contracts are artificially low for a John Wall, but that helps a Lonzo Ball get $20M+/year. You take away max contracts and the Lonzos of the world get less.
Posted on 9/2/21 at 1:44 pm to TigerinATL
quote:
Imagine a system without max contracts where John Wall was making $60-$70 million instead of $40-$45. That single large contract could derail a franchise for the better part of a decade if catastrophic injury were to occur like it did with Wall, who also is a good illustration of "not quite a franchise player but he's the best you have so he gets the big money slot".
I mean, there are some solutions to this, and it would be a give or take. You could remove the max contract limitations and include language that reduces guarantees in the case of a long-term injury to protect the teams.
If teams want to take that risk with the big contracts, it's on them. You would see a lot of middle to lower tier players push back on the high salaries of the top stars, but let the players fight it out amongst themselves.
Fact is, though, that the owners are all weak and have become whipping boys for the players anyhow. That's why the league has gone to crap.
Posted on 9/2/21 at 1:55 pm to SlowFlowPro
I'm not against no max salary or at least some form of one per team super max. But KG got paid and the owners got scared, locked out the league and implemented max salaries. LINK /
This post was edited on 9/2/21 at 1:56 pm
Posted on 9/2/21 at 2:15 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:Right, but you're taking a bigger risk, because most of your eggs are in one basket, rather than having that basket be capped at 35% or whatever.
But there is a set pool of money. Max contracts are artificially low for a John Wall, but that helps a Lonzo Ball get $20M+/year. You take away max contracts and the Lonzos of the world get less.
I think the best solution is to have one contract that is exempt from the salary cap, you can pay that one player whatever you want, but with that comes a clause that states that the player can't be traded while under that contract. Keep max contracts for other players, and make them cap out at 30%. That way, the best players still get their huge contracts, but those contracts don't hamstring the teams. At the same time, the players can't sign the contracts and then request an immediate trade.
Posted on 9/2/21 at 3:01 pm to brmark70816
quote:
He gets things done and gets the players where they want to go. I don't understand why they want to go certain places. But his clients seem overall happy.
Only if you are a priority for them. If not, they damn sure dont have your best interest. You are just a pawn unless you are marquee talent
Posted on 9/2/21 at 3:13 pm to ghost2most
I think LeBron retiring would help
Posted on 9/2/21 at 4:00 pm to Hester Carries
quote:
I think LeBron retiring would help
god can you imagine how nauseating the flood of hagiographies is going to be when this finally happens?
the dude already thinks he's some sort of divinity, wait until the media does a collective genuflect for a whole season
Posted on 9/2/21 at 7:23 pm to cgrand
The league needs to do something about these trade demands shortly after signing a max contract they they could only sign with their current team. Maybe make it so that contract converts to what the team they are demanding to go to could have paid them. The incentive is you can make the most money with your current team in order to get stars to stay in their markets. When there is no penalty for demanding a trade after getting that max contract then the incentive isn’t worth crap.
Posted on 9/2/21 at 10:34 pm to ghost2most
Just shite in their shoes. Line up the shoes of Rich Paul, Leboo, and every client and take a giant shite in their shoes.
Posted on 9/2/21 at 10:39 pm to Hester Carries
quote:
LeBron retiring would help
Maybe not with his kid coming into the league at some point. May just end up with another version of him.
Posted on 9/3/21 at 12:48 am to TigerinATL
quote:
I just don't see the owners going away from max contracts over this.
The best solution for the NBA is just to have a hard cap. This soft cap crap is benefitting large markets and diminishing league parody.
Teams would probably have to be more stingy shelling out max deals making them a bit more valuable/closer to players actual value
Posted on 9/5/21 at 9:39 am to aswemajor
quote:
diminishing league parody.
parity
your spellchecker app has been listening to stand up comedy again.
Posted on 9/5/21 at 5:04 pm to CelticDog
But league parody oddly fits.
Posted on 9/5/21 at 5:54 pm to aswemajor
I am the most pro-owner/anti player guy there is. But let's be straight up. The Sixers have been trying to flip Simmons for awhile. After the playoffs, they both want to him gone. Saying Simmons isn't being loyal is disingenuous. He is just trying to have a say and I'm sure the Sixers want him and his agent to drum up his value as much as possible.
If you want loyal players. You can't trade them or flip them out of the blue. Be straight up with them.
There are less than a dozen true max players in the league and over 90% of the league doesn't have one. Every team is overpaying guys trying to stay relevant or spend up to the floor. I'd keep it super low and split the surplus at the end of the year. Players would like getting that bonus.
If you want loyal players. You can't trade them or flip them out of the blue. Be straight up with them.
There are less than a dozen true max players in the league and over 90% of the league doesn't have one. Every team is overpaying guys trying to stay relevant or spend up to the floor. I'd keep it super low and split the surplus at the end of the year. Players would like getting that bonus.
Posted on 9/5/21 at 7:43 pm to ghost2most
They have crushed the small market teams
Posted on 9/5/21 at 8:38 pm to BowDownToLSU
Bucks are a small market team and just won the Championship. Jazz are a small market too and had the best record in the West. It's all about your management and your organizational goals and commitments. I love what OKC is doing. It is going to pay off in a couple of seasons. Just have to have a plan..
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