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re: Solutions to Klutch
Posted on 9/7/21 at 2:08 pm to ghost2most
Posted on 9/7/21 at 2:08 pm to ghost2most
The NBA allowing an active player to run a sports agency is mind boggling. Klutch needs to not be allowed to operate while LeBron is an active player.
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Posted on 9/7/21 at 2:31 pm to VADawg
quote:Exactly how do you define and do this?
The NBA allowing an active player to run a sports agency is mind boggling. Klutch needs to not be allowed to operate while LeBron is an active player.
Lebron and Rich Paul technically have no more of an official relationship than any other player/agent. They're just good friends. Kobe was really good friends with Pelinka and Lebron is good friends with Rich Paul. Don't get me wrong, I certainly understand the difference in how Lebron is calling the shots more so, but my main question/point still stands.
Again, asking for tangible ways to fix that relationship, I don't really see any way to do so.
This post was edited on 9/7/21 at 2:36 pm
Posted on 9/7/21 at 3:42 pm to shel311
LeBron literally created Rich Paul the agent.
Pelinka was an agent before Kobe, right?
Pelinka was an agent before Kobe, right?
Posted on 9/7/21 at 3:47 pm to Epic Cajun
quote:Yes but again, define tangibly what would be the basis of not allowing Klutch in the NBA? "Lebron created Rich Paul" would obviously not suffice.
LeBron literally created Rich Paul the agent.
Pelinka was an agent before Kobe, right?
There is no official relationship to go after, that's what makes it seemingly impossible to regulate. Rich Paul became an agent on his own, I assume he got his license legitimately. Lebron may call the shots behind the scenes, but you can't make any rules or break up Klutch unless you have something tangible to go off of.
So I'd ask again, you'd tell Klutch they can't represent NBA players based on what exactly?
This post was edited on 9/7/21 at 3:49 pm
Posted on 9/7/21 at 3:52 pm to shel311
I would bet that there is a money trail that ties LeBron to Paul becoming and agent and starting an agency 
Posted on 9/7/21 at 3:55 pm to Epic Cajun
quote:I'd bet those tracks are well covered and you'd never get to that money trail.
I would bet that there is a money trail that ties LeBron to Paul becoming and agent and starting an agency
But again, the NBA would announced opening up an investigation on the basis of....what? This would be shut down real quick if the NBA wanted to do this again with no tangible evidence to start up an investigation to begin with.
Given Klutch represents players, I'd guess that the NBAPA would be able to get involved here too, but could be wrong on that since it would be more indirect.
Posted on 9/7/21 at 4:05 pm to shel311
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Rich Paul became an agent on his own, I assume he got his license legitimately.
lebron got him a job at CAA working under leon rose (his agent at the time). once paul got his certification, they both left to start klutch. paul already represented tristan thompson and a few others at the time
as far as "paper trail" its clearly not against any rules for lebron to bankroll the agency, its an investment just like any other investment.
players recruit other players all the time, either to teams or to agents or to trainers or to hookers
Posted on 9/7/21 at 4:10 pm to cgrand
quote:Didn't know that Paul was at CAA, but yea, you nailed it. We all know what's going on, but dudes start their own agency, that's not against any rules. You can't stop Klutch for doing it.
lebron got him a job at CAA working under leon rose (his agent at the time). once paul got his certification, they both left to start klutch. paul already represented tristan thompson and a few others at the time
quote:That's wild if so. It should absolutely be against the rules for a player to bankroll an agency that will represent NBA players. But if it's not as you say, that just furthers the point that there is nothing to really shut Klutch down.
as far as "paper trail" its clearly not against any rules for lebron to bankroll the agency, its an investment just like any other investment.
Posted on 9/7/21 at 4:10 pm to shel311
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Yes but again, define tangibly what would be the basis of not allowing Klutch in the NBA?
There has to be common sense used here if the NBA actually wants to fix this, but I don't think they do.
Maybe another option would be that due to a conflict of interest (smarter people than me can come up with better language for this), Klutch cannot represent LeBron.
Posted on 9/7/21 at 4:15 pm to VADawg
quote:There are rules to this shite, you can't shut down an entire agency and say we're doing so because of "common sense." That will never work. The lawsuit would come in so fast, and the NBA would lose their asses.
There has to be common sense used here if the NBA actually wants to fix this, but I don't think they do.
quote:But again, based on what? Not "common sense" you'd instead need actual reasons.
Maybe another option would be that due to a conflict of interest (smarter people than me can come up with better language for this), Klutch cannot represent LeBron.
Posted on 9/7/21 at 4:22 pm to shel311
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There are rules to this shite, you can't shut down an entire agency and say we're doing so because of "common sense." That will never work. The lawsuit would come in so fast, and the NBA would lose their asses.
I get that. There has to be some way for the league to do something about this if they want to, though. Klutch found a loophole and exploited the shite out of it. Let's be real here, Rich Paul isn't calling the shots there. If he had never met LeBron, he would still be hawking counterfeit jerseys out of his trunk at the airport.
I just don't think the league is interested in fixing anything because they know that the majority of their fans are fans of players as opposed to fans of teams, which is still a very strange phenomenon to me.
Posted on 9/7/21 at 4:36 pm to VADawg
quote:I know we're going in circles here but the thing is, there really isn't a way to do this.
There has to be some way for the league to do something about this
Posted on 9/7/21 at 6:39 pm to VADawg
Why do people keep throwing out his whole job selling jerseys over a decade ago? He had a shitty job in his 20s. Why is that such a bad thing? I bussed tables in college. Does that define me the rest of my life? He can't learn, grow and ascend?
Posted on 9/7/21 at 6:43 pm to brmark70816
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I bussed tables in college. Does that define me the rest of my life? He can't learn, grow and ascend?
That's a commendable job and you busted your arse. You weren't scamming people by selling them fake jerseys.
Posted on 9/7/21 at 7:06 pm to brmark70816
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Why do people keep throwing out his whole job selling jerseys over a decade ago? He had a shitty job in his 20s. Why is that such a bad thing?
Because he has no legitimate business acumen, and it’s shown in the way that he handles players that he represents.
Posted on 9/7/21 at 7:43 pm to Epic Cajun
quote:I mean, he worked his way as a teenager to be working directly with the owner of a popular jersey company and was making somewhere between low to mid 6 figures by age 21. Kinda hard to be self made like that if you have no business acumen
Because he has no legitimate business acumen
This post was edited on 9/7/21 at 7:45 pm
Posted on 9/7/21 at 8:15 pm to VADawg
quote:
You weren't scamming people by selling them fake jerseys.
I doubt a single soul who bought a jersey from Rich Paul truly believed they were getting an officially licensed product.
Posted on 9/8/21 at 6:51 am to shel311
That’s why I used the term legitimate. Dude is a street hustler.
Posted on 9/22/21 at 3:03 pm to ghost2most
quote:
none of these are realistic
Posted on 10/1/21 at 2:13 pm to Chris Farley
quote:
Reporting with @WindhorstESPN and @BobbyMarks42 : Sources confirm the 76ers have not paid Ben Simmons the $8.2 million he was owed today. The money has been put in an escrow account, & any fines accrued by him for not showing up will be deducted from that amount moving forward.
klutch has now forced the issue over the "trade demand" line and into "breach of contract". bold strategy
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