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re: Shams says Pelicans are “aggressively pursuing” a top 2-3 pick for Scoot
Posted on 6/12/23 at 7:04 pm to tigersmanager
Posted on 6/12/23 at 7:04 pm to tigersmanager
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Scoot is not 3 point shooter
Neither is Ingram
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It will when we have to pay Herb and Trey
CJ’s contract will have no bearing on this whatsoever, Ingram’s next contract would.
This post was edited on 6/12/23 at 7:05 pm
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Posted on 6/12/23 at 7:05 pm to tigersmanager
quote:you don’t know ball. Also BI didn’t shoot at all from 3 his first 3 years in the league. Scoot is solid from midrange and can attack the rim with ease. Scoots shot has improved. Was like 18% from 3 two years ago and went up to 33% this season
Scoot is not 3 point shooter at this point giving up B.I. for him would be retarded
This post was edited on 6/12/23 at 7:07 pm
Posted on 6/12/23 at 7:05 pm to Macintosh
Reliably shoot threes doesn’t mean the player shoots 7 a game.
It means the same thing it’s always meant. When a player gets a ball behind the arc, can you rely on him to make a three? Will he make defenders close out? Yes and yes. Again, y’all are making a bad argument. We aren’t moving him anyway, so this is pointless
It means the same thing it’s always meant. When a player gets a ball behind the arc, can you rely on him to make a three? Will he make defenders close out? Yes and yes. Again, y’all are making a bad argument. We aren’t moving him anyway, so this is pointless
This post was edited on 6/12/23 at 7:07 pm
Posted on 6/12/23 at 7:07 pm to SCLSUMuddogs
quote:then what’s the point of saying BI is important to the team because he can shoot 3s when he barely does it. It’s a Meaningless remark.
Reliably shoot threes doesn’t mean the player shoots 7 a game
Posted on 6/12/23 at 7:09 pm to Macintosh
I didn’t say that, I was directly responding to someone saying the pelicans only have 2 players who can reliably make threes.
Seriously y’all, this is dumb lol
Seriously y’all, this is dumb lol
Posted on 6/12/23 at 7:11 pm to Macintosh
27.5% vs 39.0% what is wrong with yall I do think Scoot will get better but it makes me nervous to draft a pg number 2 that doesn't shoot well
Posted on 6/12/23 at 7:17 pm to Soggymoss
The obvious path is to make moves on the margin now and go forward with BI, Zion, and CJ at the start of 2023-2024 season. You then evaluate at the trade deadline. However, we as fans of the Pels have no idea of what is going on behind the scenes. In any regard moving off of BI or Zion (CJ is not going to get you to pick #2 as a centerpiece) is a step back competitively.
Also to those who choose to look at the winning streaks in December and March, don't fall for fool's gold. Look at the schedule strength and understand that the driving force behind the streak could not sustain that momentum.
Also to those who choose to look at the winning streaks in December and March, don't fall for fool's gold. Look at the schedule strength and understand that the driving force behind the streak could not sustain that momentum.
Posted on 6/12/23 at 7:34 pm to Pistol44
the draft rights to the basketball playing otter would fetch more in a trade than CJ McCollum. Not a knock on CJ per se it’s just reality
Wembanyama or Henderson are this years zion, morant, Davis, towns, etc... nothing short of an all star and a basket of picks is getting either of those guys in any trade
Wembanyama or Henderson are this years zion, morant, Davis, towns, etc... nothing short of an all star and a basket of picks is getting either of those guys in any trade
Posted on 6/12/23 at 7:35 pm to higgsBoson
quote:Doesn't have to be right now, can be anytime now and the next 2 seasons. There's no need to rush.
2. Get off of CJ or BI right now so we have the flexibility to make roster changes and sign all of our young players
quote:A few people have said this, it's a really off base valuation of CJ. He has positive value. And regardless, a much worse player and more expensive contract in Westbrook was moved and the Lakers got 4 rotation players back.
If you trade CJ, you’ll have to pay the team a first. If you trade BI, you could get Scoot. It’s a no brainer to me.
This post was edited on 6/12/23 at 8:26 pm
Posted on 6/12/23 at 7:38 pm to SCLSUMuddogs
quote:yeah it definitely might not happen. Still fun to debate. At least until we get close to draft night
Seriously y’all, this is dumb lol
Posted on 6/12/23 at 7:45 pm to Soggymoss
Crazy this has turned into a mostly Trade Ingram thread.
David Griffin is definitely an interesting cat and at times it is difficult to understand if and when he is telling the truth.
The one consistent thing that has come out of his mouth is how much he loves and believes in Brandon Ingram.
He is not going to trade Brandon Ingram for anyone that is actually attainable imo.
So y’all can debate all y’all want whether or not that is the right play, but there is no way in hell that David Griffin signs off on a trade to send Brandon Ingram out for Scoot Henderson.
The only way Ingram would ever be traded by David Griffin, is if we are using him as part of a package to get Jokic, Luka, Embiid, or Giannis. And obviously, none of those trades are happening.
David Griffin is definitely an interesting cat and at times it is difficult to understand if and when he is telling the truth.
The one consistent thing that has come out of his mouth is how much he loves and believes in Brandon Ingram.
He is not going to trade Brandon Ingram for anyone that is actually attainable imo.
So y’all can debate all y’all want whether or not that is the right play, but there is no way in hell that David Griffin signs off on a trade to send Brandon Ingram out for Scoot Henderson.
The only way Ingram would ever be traded by David Griffin, is if we are using him as part of a package to get Jokic, Luka, Embiid, or Giannis. And obviously, none of those trades are happening.
Posted on 6/12/23 at 7:50 pm to SCLSUMuddogs
quote:That doesn't hurt at all this offseason.
Because he accounts for 27% of the league salary cap
Plus the cap will go up and CJ's contract will go down, so that 27% figure will rapidly decrease.
Posted on 6/12/23 at 7:54 pm to shel311
You’re right it can be any time but couple counter points why now might be best time to trade Ingram.
- teams prefer him now since he has 2 years left, the more you wait, the lesser his value since he will be a free agent in 2 years.
- the fact that a team wants to trade out if the top 2 spot and there is a potential franchise player there the pelicans love that would be under cost control of the pelicans for a while is honestly the best case scenario to trade Ingram. Very rarely do you get a chance to trade into the top 2 or 3 spot in the draft this may be the best chance.
In regard to CJ’s positive value.
- CJ does not have positive value according to his new deal- hes an aging player coming off his career worst year entering a new extension. The westbrook analogy is incorrect- lakers gave up a first in that trade. So yes we would give up a first to trade CJ.
- teams prefer him now since he has 2 years left, the more you wait, the lesser his value since he will be a free agent in 2 years.
- the fact that a team wants to trade out if the top 2 spot and there is a potential franchise player there the pelicans love that would be under cost control of the pelicans for a while is honestly the best case scenario to trade Ingram. Very rarely do you get a chance to trade into the top 2 or 3 spot in the draft this may be the best chance.
In regard to CJ’s positive value.
- CJ does not have positive value according to his new deal- hes an aging player coming off his career worst year entering a new extension. The westbrook analogy is incorrect- lakers gave up a first in that trade. So yes we would give up a first to trade CJ.
Posted on 6/12/23 at 8:05 pm to Pels_Yaz
I would rather trade Zion than BI.
Posted on 6/12/23 at 8:10 pm to Colonel Flagg
Zion is doing himself no favors on that front right now IMHO.
Main downside I see is that if we have no Zion and are trading for Scoot, we have to either dig up a starting 4 or move Nance / Jax into that position full time and get another big as a backup.
Main downside I see is that if we have no Zion and are trading for Scoot, we have to either dig up a starting 4 or move Nance / Jax into that position full time and get another big as a backup.
Posted on 6/12/23 at 8:10 pm to Colonel Flagg
I agree I would rather trade the fat arse with baby drama too BUT Ingrams will want a new contract in 2 years and honestly wouldn’t be surprised if his value is much higher around the league right now, so hes easier to trade. I also think only way we afford BI on new deal is trading CJ which will be difficult. This is obviously all a gamble but Scoot is no joke. In a guard driven league he is by far the best guard in the draft with crazy athleticism and big time competitive streak. Who knows what happens but at 17 he was dunking on grown men in gleague. Hes an absolute baller.
Posted on 6/12/23 at 8:11 pm to cgrand
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nothing short of an all star and a basket of picks is getting either of those guys in any trade
For sure, but the rumor was leaked by Shams who has a reputation for having good sources. This was leaked for a reason and either BI or Zion have to now be paying attention. Like you indicated, CJ is certainly not the centerpiece, but not knowing the team’s internal temperature its hard to say who’s ears are burning, BI or Zion.
Posted on 6/12/23 at 8:17 pm to Pistol44
Honestly think it was leaked by Hornets or Blazers. I wouldn’t be surprised if pelicans have already made a really big offer including Zion/BI and these teams are basically asking the other teams through this rumor how much better you can do.
Posted on 6/12/23 at 8:24 pm to Pels_Yaz
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I also think only way we afford BI on new deal is trading CJ which will be difficult.
The Pels can not afford to pay Zion to not be ready to play. They need to move on and let him get kotivated somewhere else.
Posted on 6/12/23 at 8:27 pm to Pels_Yaz
quote:Disagree. You think the role players combined the Lakers got weren't worth one 1st?
The westbrook analogy is incorrect- lakers gave up a first in that trade. So yes we would give up a first to trade CJ.
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