re: ScoopB: All of the Brandon Ingram offers are “crap”

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Brandon Ingram is still a good player.

He could still work on this team imo. You want as many good players as possible.

Let's just say the pels start out hot with Ingram in the lineup. The pels won't trade him.

People jumped the broom on the Ingram talk. He is still a very good basketball player.

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100%

If we can upgrade the center position while keeping our second most talented player, that is the absolute best path to contention immediately. You get to slide both Murray and Ingram back to their more natural and efficient roles to play next to Zion.

I think Hawkins still has decent upside, but if he gets us there, best wishes.

Just realized I wasn't in the Hawkins thread, but the point stands.

He's not signing for the max, so that's a bit of a straw man. As for your hypothetical, yes, you trade CJ and keep BI. CJ is not getting any younger.

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We have (4) 1st (3) swaps + BI + Hawk.

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Once again, please tell us the years we have these extra firsts and swaps.

And like I said in my other posts, why include Hawk? Just name everyone on the roster as our ‘warchest’ which is just plain idiotic. A warchest is extra assets, like future first round picks, second round picks, swaps…Not your whole current team. Every team in the nba has a warchest by your definition.

OKC has a warchest.

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Y'all are pussies. And most of you hope for the worst case scenario so y'all fricking deserve it.

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You’re a moron that makes up stuff to live in a false reality. We cannot trade for anyone we want. We can’t even trade your so called asset (BI) from your make believe warchest.

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You don't think bi is an asset?

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Do you believe something is valuable or an asset if the rest of the league doesn’t want it?

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That is also when Lauri is eligible to sign an extension with the Jazz. If that happens he's off the table and a team like the Warriors could possibly shift to BI as a target if he doesn't sign an extension.

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Kerr doesn't really love bi's style of play.

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We have (4) 1st (3) swaps + BI + Hawk.

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You do realize that plenty of teams have this available to them?
Orlando, Brooklyn, Houston, Detroit, Charlotte, Chicago, Memphis, OKC, Philly, Portland, Toronto, Washington.

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How so? Please describe how BI is an asset when he’s difficult or impossible to trade right now? Heck Griffin even said himself hes “mechanicslly incapable” of being traded under new CBA rules. How is that an asset?

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You stated the rest of the league doesn’t want him. That’s absurd. Don’t believe everything you read. Lauri isn’t traded and it’s, Danny’s such a shrewd negotiator and going to get max value. BI isn’t trade and it’s, no one wants Bi! Logistically, certain roster structures and teams being capped at certain aprons has made a Bi trade very difficult. In fact, our own situation of being capped at the first apron makes taking on more money in a trade problematic. Ten or so teams literally not wanting to get better certainly doesn’t help. But BI has been a virtual 25,5 and 5 per 36, 26 year old 6’8 wing. Players on expirings way worse than him have been traded at the deadline for value, simply as expirings.

I believe even right now, teams like the Lakers and Warriors would love to have him. WE do not want to trade him. Not at the cost of taking Wiggins, or Rui/Vandebilt deals. Not if it’s going to make our 2024 team worse with nominal draft capital.

BI has been either our first or second best players for five years. He has value, he just happens to have a crap ton of value for us too. So no, we aren’t trading him right now without a proper deal. Everything else is emotional nonsense.

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BI has been either our first or second best players for five years. He has value, he just happens to have a crap ton of value for us too. So no, we aren’t trading him right now without a proper deal. Everything else is emotional nonsense.

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Reality is his value in the market doesn’t equate to what we want it to. You are completely ignoring his contract status and the new CBA.

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Logistically, certain roster structures and teams being capped at certain aprons has made a Bi trade very difficult.

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So essentially you’re agreeing the market has devalued him.

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I believe even right now, teams like the Lakers and Warriors would love to have him. WE do not want to trade him.

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This is just your belief in regards to Lakers/Warriors and there is absolutely no credible rumors to this. Meanwhile, there have been active reported discussions of us wanting to trade BI.

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BI has been either our first or second best players for five years. He has value, he just happens to have a crap ton of value for us too. So no, we aren’t trading him right now without a proper deal. Everything else is emotional nonsense.

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I’m not questioning his talent or perceived value to us. But including him in a warchest- means he has that same perceived value to the rest of the league and can be easily tradeable. This is not the case. Hes not an asset for a simple reason- he cannot be easily traded right now.

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We have assets to trade

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That's the debate though. At this point BI kind of determines how war chesty the war chest is. Is BI worth nothing and walks in a year, or can you get at least $30 million worth of rotation player and a few picks by the deadline?