re: Scoop B says we want to trade for CP3

Allen is probably the most important player in the deal to me. I don’t do it without him involved.

He is a solid pickup but in no way would be the deal breaker in any SG trade involving Jrue or JJ. Plus once again I think they need his skills+ salary to be a contender. DJ gets hurt and you trade your solid #2 guy for SGs and you are in a hole.

Hopefully that is why Steve Nash can talk some rotational sense into Kyrie/ KD.

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Allen is probably the most important player in the deal to me. I don’t do it without him involved.

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Why though?

He's an antiquated player-type thats about to get an extension.

Im not paying 15+ million to a center thats gonna clog the lane for Zion. Who's winning in 2020s nba basketball with centers that provide zero spacing or ball movement?

The Allen-types are the last players i'd want to invest resources in.

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This I don’t understand the Allen love on here. Weird fit and you’re gonna have to pay him in a couple years.

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A player like Allen fits fine with guys like KD, Kyrie, Joe Harris, Levert, etc. because he doesn't occupy the same space as any of those guys.

Thats not the case with Zion, obviously. The number one goal for us should be finding guys that fit with Zion and Ingram.

I feel like we're gonna immediately regret paying big money to a guy that stifles, or simply can't be on the court with your franchise player for him to function at his highest level.

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Im not paying 15+ million to a center thats gonna clog the lane for Zion. Who's winning in 2020s nba basketball with centers that provide zero spacing or ball movement?

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There's a big difference between an nonathletic center who doesn't shoot well, and a center who can't shoot that is an elite finisher.

I explained a few weeks ago what an elite rim runner can do for an offense, and how someone like that is a better floor spacer than someone like Lonzo who does not move at all off the ball, and no team respects from 3 even when he's shooting well b/c they know if they run him off the 3 point line he's worthless, and they'll let him shoot more often than not anyway.
When you have a guy that's an elite rim runner, it causes defenses to collapse. Now what we need to go along with an elite rim runner is a guy that can be a serious threat off that pick to either shoot it or make the alley oop, and i think Ingram is going to continue to get better at it, but i hope we find a PG in FA or the draft that can be that guy too.
It's also not a big deal to have someone clogging the lane a bit when they are a super aggressive offensive rebounder, which is what makes guys like Steven Adam good and able to stay on the court in crunch time. You want to help off Allen and try to block Zion, be my guest. Zion will probably make it anyway, and if he doesn't, then Allen is there for the put back. I'll take a 2 on 1 any day with Zion/Allen against any center in the league. The key here is to make sure we set the right picks/ball movement on the perimeter to get either Zion or Ingram a good open run to the rim to create that 2 on 1.

On top of that, we desperately need a rim protector. Favors was good at it maybe half the time.

Javele
Howard
Kanter
Nerlens
Deandre
Gobert
Robin Lopez
Zubac
Theiss
Capela
Bam
Steven Adams
Whiteside
Mitchel Robinson
Nurkic

All of those guys can't shooot. All of them have good defensive ratings (they are in order by defensive rating, Javele 101, Nurkik 108, while still having a fairly high offensive rating to go with it).

Don't tell me you can't win with centers that can't shoot.
No one said you have to play these guys 40 minutes a game. No one says they have to be on the court the last 2 minutes of a game. All of those guys are important role players on their teams, and almost all of them have a positive +/- (Nurkik/DJ/Robinson). Myles Turner had a negative +/- this year, and he played on a good team.

CP3 definitely going to Milwaukee to chase the elusive NBA finals appearance