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re: Scoop B says we want to trade for CP3
Posted on 9/13/20 at 1:44 pm to Dantheman504
Posted on 9/13/20 at 1:44 pm to Dantheman504
I'd much rather take JJ, Lonzo, Melli, Miller and turn it into LaVert, Rose, #7, and cap space. Not because I don't want CP3 or Jrue playing together but its just nearly impossible in order to aquire other assets to win.
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Posted on 9/14/20 at 8:56 am to Dantheman504
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Thats 105 million including BI only getting 25 million
You didn't even include Zions 10 mil, that's 115m on 7 players. So you're looking at vet min players to fill out the roster. Or Gayle is willing to pay the tax which I doubt.
Posted on 9/14/20 at 9:09 am to Dantheman504
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I'd much rather take JJ, Lonzo, Melli, Miller and turn it into LaVert, Rose, #7, and cap space.
We would be significantly worse in the short term.
Posted on 9/14/20 at 10:22 am to OrganizedChaos
quote:If the only players we'd lose are Zo and Redick and we'd come out better with draft picks for Paul, that's a no brainer decision to go for it, finances pending.
You didn't even include Zions 10 mil, that's 115m on 7 players. So you're looking at vet min players to fill out the roster. Or Gayle is willing to pay the tax which I doubt.
But to your point, I'd take Paul plus those 6 dudes and 5 vet minimums over not getting Paul and instead of 5 maybe 2 vet minimums. Stars win in this league, not the 10th dude on your bench.
Posted on 9/14/20 at 10:38 am to Fun Bunch
We would lose our best shooter and backup PG. So our bench will include NAW and Didi behind Jrue/ CP3. And it wouldn't be losing just JJ or Lonzo because we would have 0 money on a center especially considering we would need to fill out the rest of our holes with min cap guys. So the real question is: will this team win a championship with Jrue, CP3, Zion, BI and scrubs? Honestly no and its not worth locking up that much cap on old players. Build young, find medium contract assets, then make a move down the line. Remember when y'all said we shouldn't win now and need to build for our future? This isn't it... Still laughing that people think we can land CP3 for JJ and Lonzo.
Posted on 9/14/20 at 10:39 am to Dantheman504
quote:Bring back Favors
because we would have 0 money on a center
But I do agree with your final point, that deal proposal was too generous towards the Pels.
Posted on 9/14/20 at 10:48 am to shel311
Chris Paul is a great leader and mentor but if we are trading and paying someone 40 mil while locking up our cap/ going into tax, it better be cause we are fighting for a championship the next few years.
He could be very good for us but we need Zion and BI to be the leaders of this team and 2 years of leadership worth 40 mil and no bench help to our stars is a walking shite show. Not to mention we would be one injury away from mediocracy with no depth. We already over value teams with good starting 5s on paper. We would literally have a starting 4, josh hart and scrubs.
He could be very good for us but we need Zion and BI to be the leaders of this team and 2 years of leadership worth 40 mil and no bench help to our stars is a walking shite show. Not to mention we would be one injury away from mediocracy with no depth. We already over value teams with good starting 5s on paper. We would literally have a starting 4, josh hart and scrubs.
Posted on 9/14/20 at 10:51 am to shel311
I don't even think we could afford Favors unless he took like 5 mil or less and once again it still wouldn't bring us closer to a championship. That is our ultimate goal. I am no cap expert but it is very easy to tell how bad this could hurt us no matter what way you look at it. The only way its a positive to me is if we win a championship and we wouldn't.
Posted on 9/14/20 at 11:38 am to shel311
Jrue to GSW
Wiggins/Lonzo/#13/#39 to the Thunder
CP3/#2/#25/Minny '21 first to Pelicans.
I'd prefer to keep CP3 and Redick together to help this young team grow.
At #2, I'd look to trade back to some team wanting LaMelo, like the Knicks. Send them #2 and Miller for #8, Dallas '21 first, and Mitchell Robinson. Might not be able to get both the Dallas first and Mitchell. If i can't do this with the Knicks, I'm probably taking Deni at #2.
Assuming a Knicks trade, at #8, we take Devin Vassell. We then wait and see where Kira Lewis falls to, and trade #25 and whatever 2nd round picks necessary to move up and grab him, assuming he goes somewhere around 20. Unless Jalen Smith is available at #25.
2021 roster
PG
CP3/NAW/Kira
2/3 position
BI/Hart/Redick/Vasell/Didi
4/5 position
Zion/Hayes/Robinson/Melli
Spend the MLE on another big wing, like Jae Crowder.
last few contracts can be minimum deals to fill out the roster. I'd give Tyson Chandler a 1 year deal to come be a coach pretty much and mentor Hayes/Robinson. Between CP3 and Redick, NAW/Kira/Vasell/Didi all have great vets to help them out. BI and Zion continue to grow.
I'd like the future of that team, as well as the present, as i'm sure we'd be able to win 45 games+ with that team.
Wiggins/Lonzo/#13/#39 to the Thunder
CP3/#2/#25/Minny '21 first to Pelicans.
I'd prefer to keep CP3 and Redick together to help this young team grow.
At #2, I'd look to trade back to some team wanting LaMelo, like the Knicks. Send them #2 and Miller for #8, Dallas '21 first, and Mitchell Robinson. Might not be able to get both the Dallas first and Mitchell. If i can't do this with the Knicks, I'm probably taking Deni at #2.
Assuming a Knicks trade, at #8, we take Devin Vassell. We then wait and see where Kira Lewis falls to, and trade #25 and whatever 2nd round picks necessary to move up and grab him, assuming he goes somewhere around 20. Unless Jalen Smith is available at #25.
2021 roster
PG
CP3/NAW/Kira
2/3 position
BI/Hart/Redick/Vasell/Didi
4/5 position
Zion/Hayes/Robinson/Melli
Spend the MLE on another big wing, like Jae Crowder.
last few contracts can be minimum deals to fill out the roster. I'd give Tyson Chandler a 1 year deal to come be a coach pretty much and mentor Hayes/Robinson. Between CP3 and Redick, NAW/Kira/Vasell/Didi all have great vets to help them out. BI and Zion continue to grow.
I'd like the future of that team, as well as the present, as i'm sure we'd be able to win 45 games+ with that team.
Posted on 9/14/20 at 11:43 am to TeddyPadillac
Not terrible on paper but I'm not sure GSW or OKC would do it. Also JJ is probably not staying after this year so we would be losing Jrue with no replacement. Also still would be in cap trouble and wouldn't win a Championship with that squad.
How dare you offer both Jrue and Lonzo!!
How dare you offer both Jrue and Lonzo!!
Posted on 9/14/20 at 11:46 am to TeddyPadillac
I feel like I read that Didi is staying in Australia another year...not sure how true that is
Posted on 9/14/20 at 11:53 am to BallHawk
Didi, Josh Hart, and NAW have a pretty big impact on how we could shape the team going forward. If all 3 take a step forward then we have a lot of freedom. A cheap veteran PG would be enough and we could hold on to Jrue a little longer. This would give us the cap needed to get a Center down low to help Hayes and fill out the 3/4 position. That's a lot of best case scenario's tho
Posted on 9/14/20 at 12:21 pm to Dantheman504
Lonzo is not part of my Pelicans future, so i would really like for him to be traded asap.
Jrue really isn't either. I think both GSW and Miami would really like to get their hands on him.
If Miami can't get a max guy to come over, or if they want to wait until next year, they could get Jrue this offseason in an uneven trade with us. They'd really only have Butler and Jrue on the books after next year.
Would you trade Jrue for Duncan Robinson and Herro?
We'd free up $20M in cap space doing that. Not sure what we would do with it this offseason, or if that's something that's even attractive for us, but if it could net us VanVleet and Bertans with cap space, I'd be very interested in doing the trade. I think doing that would put us around $80m in salary, which would be around $30M in space. Give VanVleet a similar deal like Brogdon got, 4/$80. Find a way to unload Lonzo to create the extra space for Bertans for a deal around $15M annually.
VanVleet/NAW
Herro
BI/Duncan
Zion/Bertans
Hayes
That's a nice start to our future, with just about all of those guys here for the next 4 years minimum. With the right coach, and player development, we could do some damage. VanVleet/Duncan/Bertans are all around 27, and everyone else is obviously younger.
Jrue really isn't either. I think both GSW and Miami would really like to get their hands on him.
If Miami can't get a max guy to come over, or if they want to wait until next year, they could get Jrue this offseason in an uneven trade with us. They'd really only have Butler and Jrue on the books after next year.
Would you trade Jrue for Duncan Robinson and Herro?
We'd free up $20M in cap space doing that. Not sure what we would do with it this offseason, or if that's something that's even attractive for us, but if it could net us VanVleet and Bertans with cap space, I'd be very interested in doing the trade. I think doing that would put us around $80m in salary, which would be around $30M in space. Give VanVleet a similar deal like Brogdon got, 4/$80. Find a way to unload Lonzo to create the extra space for Bertans for a deal around $15M annually.
VanVleet/NAW
Herro
BI/Duncan
Zion/Bertans
Hayes
That's a nice start to our future, with just about all of those guys here for the next 4 years minimum. With the right coach, and player development, we could do some damage. VanVleet/Duncan/Bertans are all around 27, and everyone else is obviously younger.
Posted on 9/14/20 at 12:29 pm to TeddyPadillac
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Jrue really isn't either. I think both GSW and Miami would really like to get their hands on him.
Narrow that list to Miami. Golden State doesn't have the assets to make it happen.
Posted on 9/14/20 at 12:35 pm to TeddyPadillac
I'd very much like to aquire Robinson and Herro.
I don't think we could land VanVleet after trading Jrue to Miami.
I really wanted Boston to lose and see if its possible to turn Jrue+ assets into Marcus Smart and Jaylen Brown (I know not likely).
If we somehow traded Jrue to Miami for cap space then I'd really like the other 2 trades I've been talking about. JJ to Brooklyn and Lonzo to Detroit
Herro/ Rose/ NAW
Lavert/ Herro/ Hart
BI/ Hart/ Robinson
Zion/ Robinson/ Melli
Hayes
I mean shite from a cap standpoint we might be able to also take Dinwiddie off the Nets hands and fill out at Center.
So Dinwiddie/ Rose/ NAW/ Herro
A lot of flexibility, no crazy big contracts, keep draft picks, plenty assets to move or trade. Definitely sounds like a dream
I don't think we could land VanVleet after trading Jrue to Miami.
I really wanted Boston to lose and see if its possible to turn Jrue+ assets into Marcus Smart and Jaylen Brown (I know not likely).
If we somehow traded Jrue to Miami for cap space then I'd really like the other 2 trades I've been talking about. JJ to Brooklyn and Lonzo to Detroit
Herro/ Rose/ NAW
Lavert/ Herro/ Hart
BI/ Hart/ Robinson
Zion/ Robinson/ Melli
Hayes
I mean shite from a cap standpoint we might be able to also take Dinwiddie off the Nets hands and fill out at Center.
So Dinwiddie/ Rose/ NAW/ Herro
A lot of flexibility, no crazy big contracts, keep draft picks, plenty assets to move or trade. Definitely sounds like a dream
This post was edited on 9/14/20 at 12:36 pm
Posted on 9/14/20 at 12:39 pm to Dantheman504
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I don't think we could land VanVleet after trading Jrue to Miami.
Why not? We would be an ideal place to go, and he would know he would be the starter at the PG position for the future. I don't think too many teams are going to be willing to give out contracts this offseason with the uncertainty of the cap as well as more big name FA's being available next offseason.
quote:
A lot of flexibility, no crazy big contracts, keep draft picks, plenty assets to move or trade. Definitely sounds like a dream
That's really what i'd like to maintain as well.
I don't mind giving a contract to someone like VanVleet if that was possible, but other than that, i want to keep the flexibility and keep increasing our future assets.
Posted on 9/14/20 at 12:40 pm to Dantheman504
quote:
Most likely would include Jrue, Lonzo, and at least a 1st + a few 2nds.
i know almost nothing about NBA rosters, but this sounds absurd even to my ignorant arse
Posted on 9/14/20 at 12:42 pm to DomincDecoco
Thank you!
Posted on 9/14/20 at 12:46 pm to TeddyPadillac
Several teams are going to go after VanVleet for sure and we better be one of them. I just think if we did this we would already have to have a plan in place for Jrue, Lonzo, and JJ. We don't have a coach yet and some other markets may be more attractive to him. I'm all for it tho if we can.
Posted on 9/14/20 at 12:50 pm to Dantheman504
quote:Sure but that doesn't always just magically happen. CP3 could be the catalyst to get their leadership to a place it may never have gotten to without him. That's a bit hyperbole or overstating, but you get the point, I 100% think CP3 would help these dudes for the long term, even after he's gone. With on court knowledge, off court, leadership, all of that.
He could be very good for us but we need Zion and BI to be the leaders of this team
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