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re: Scoop B says we want to trade for CP3
Before the playoffs I would have said that OKc would need to attach assets in return.

I still do NOT think he gets a ton of assets in return. The biggest problem is that he makes SO much money.

A team will have to find a way to match salary, and unless a team is giving up a bum contract like Wiggins or Horford, most teams are going to be giving up a younger, “better” (re: more long term potential) player.


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re: Scoop B says we want to trade for CP3
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I don’t see the Knicks willingly giving up 8 for what amounts to shedding Portis and getting Ball. It’s a MAYBE.


It's a fair point but we do know 3 things about the Knicks. They want name players, A and B list name players won't come their willingly, they want desperately to accelerate their timeline and gamble on short cuts whenever they can. They've operated that way with the last 2 GMs in place and the owner is still Dolan. Trading #8 for Lonzo seems like a very Knicks thing to do.

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does OKC want to take on that much salary?


Gallo and Roberson come off the books and obviously won't be resigned which is big. Someone like Muscala probably opts out to find a better situation. I come up with $108.5 million for OKC after this trade, so it should be well below the tax, and they changed the rules so Portis couldn't get cut for a partial guarantee after being traded.

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re: Scoop B says we want to trade for CP3
Pointless to move jrue just to get 35 cp3


Move ball, Moore, picks, loose favors miller, and then vets may come cheap to fill.
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re: Scoop B says we want to trade for CP3
Moore is a FA.

The point of moving for CP now would be to teach our kids how to win. To instill that attitude. That would be the point.

Also adding an extra pick this year and a very valuable Minny pick next year in a possibly better draft.

We probably make out a bit too well in that one.
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re: Scoop B says we want to trade for CP3
I think CP has let go of most of his douchiness finally, ready to welcome him back home


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re: Scoop B says we want to trade for CP3
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Most likely would include Jrue, Lonzo, and at least a 1st + a few 2nds.

Are you out of your fricking mind?


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re: Scoop B says we want to trade for CP3
McNamara:

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Best (& most realistic) CP3 to the Pels trade I can come up with:

Knicks: Lonzo, #13, #39

Nets: JJ Redick, #42

Thunder: Taj Gibson, Darius Miller, Taurean Prince, NAW, Wizards 2021 2nd rounder, Dallas 2021 1st

Pels: CP3, #8 and #27


TigerinATL
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re: Scoop B says we want to trade for CP3
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Pointless to move jrue just to get 35 cp3


I'm not hell bent on making this move, but a 30 year old Jrue doesn't fit the Zion timeline either so we are keeping him around for 2 reasons. To help the team win now rather than get used to losing, and semi-related, to build a winning team culture.

Chris Paul's age is a concern, but a big part of his talent is is off the charts BBIQ and his competitiveness which helps him age well. If he doesn't fall off a cliff, he brings more to the team in terms of Win Now ability and building a winning team culture. If that's why you've kept Jrue then CP3 would be an upgrade.

The next 2 years should be about Ingram and Zion becoming dominant players, and I think Chris Paul would be more helpful than Jrue at getting them there. Remember how Rondo kind of unlocked Jrue, CP3 would unlock Zion and Ingram, and if you draft your PG of the future this year, he'd have 2 years to learn from one of the best PGs of all time.
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re: Scoop B says we want to trade for CP3
Giving up Lonzo, JJ and NAW would be a pretty bitter pill for me to swallow.

Guard depth would be pretty decimated. You’d need to go Guard at 8. And likely additionally acquire one with the MLE. Have to resign Favors I assume.


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TigerinATL
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re: Scoop B says we want to trade for CP3
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Best (& most realistic) CP3 to the Pels trade I can come up with:


That's a really good trade. I think every team would see it as a win. My only concern is would the Knicks throw in the Mavs pick in addition to trading back in this years draft. Without getting a 1st I'm not sure if OKC does it.
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Fun Bunch
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re: Scoop B says we want to trade for CP3
Yeah that’s the question but it’s interesting.

For us you go either Haliburton or Vassel at 8 (assuming Hayes is gone) and someone like Jalen Smith at 27.

Maybe you sign a Jeff Teague type with the MLE?


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re: Scoop B says we want to trade for CP3
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Guard depth would be pretty decimated. You’d need to go Guard at 8. And likely additionally acquire one with the MLE. Have to resign Favors I assume.


Your new backup PG is the #8 pick replacing NAW. You bring over Didi and you see if you can bring Moore back, maybe on a one year overpay. Bring back Favors and you still have the MLE to fill in whatever is the biggest hole left.


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re: Scoop B says we want to trade for CP3
One route to getting enough salary for CP3 without sending out a bigger deal, like Jrue or JJ, is to do a sign and trade of Favors strictly for a trade exemption.

I'll just use Utah for an example, say they want Favors back for a 3/45, we can sign Favors then trade to Utah, while diverting their salary to a 3rd team, we develop a 15 million trade exception. We can then use the 15 million trade exception, add Miller's 7 million and Lonzo's 11 million, plus our 9ish million in cap space, and that gets us to 42 million in matched salary.


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re: Scoop B says we want to trade for CP3
Don’t think that’s a legal move with the trade exception.


Soggymoss
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re: Scoop B says we want to trade for CP3
From everything I'm reading it is 100% legal.


TigerinATL
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re: Scoop B says we want to trade for CP3
You can't bundle trade exceptions with players or other trade exceptions to take on more salary. The trade exception itself needs to be big enough to absorb the salary of the player you're trading for.

You could make a 3 team S&T of Favors with his outgoing salary part of a bigger CP3 deal, but you couldn't do it separately and use a trade exception in his place.
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re: Scoop B says we want to trade for CP3
Going to TJ Max to pick up my Paul jersey right NOW!


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Soggymoss
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re: Scoop B says we want to trade for CP3
Ok, I couldn't find the rules on that, everything I read made it sound like you could bundle the trade exception with players.


TigerinATL
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re: Scoop B says we want to trade for CP3
I couldn't find it spelled out like I remember seeing in the past, but I believe this is the relevant line:

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A trade in which salaries are aggregated (see question number 86) cannot be non-simultaneous.

LINK

A non-simultaneous trade is one where you get the 1 year "trade credit", what we commonly refer to as a trade exception.


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Dantheman504
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re: Scoop B says we want to trade for CP3
So we are gonna go into the tax with no role players or a starting Center?

Jrue- 26 mil
CP3- 42 mil
BI- 25-30 mil
Hayes- 5 mil
Hart- 4 mil ( before we pay him)
NAW- 3 mil

Thats 105 million including BI only getting 25 million and not including Melli or future rookie contracts.


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