re: Scoop B says we want to trade for CP3

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I don’t see the Knicks willingly giving up 8 for what amounts to shedding Portis and getting Ball. It’s a MAYBE.

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It's a fair point but we do know 3 things about the Knicks. They want name players, A and B list name players won't come their willingly, they want desperately to accelerate their timeline and gamble on short cuts whenever they can. They've operated that way with the last 2 GMs in place and the owner is still Dolan. Trading #8 for Lonzo seems like a very Knicks thing to do.

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does OKC want to take on that much salary?

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Gallo and Roberson come off the books and obviously won't be resigned which is big. Someone like Muscala probably opts out to find a better situation. I come up with $108.5 million for OKC after this trade, so it should be well below the tax, and they changed the rules so Portis couldn't get cut for a partial guarantee after being traded.

Moore is a FA.

The point of moving for CP now would be to teach our kids how to win. To instill that attitude. That would be the point.

Also adding an extra pick this year and a very valuable Minny pick next year in a possibly better draft.

We probably make out a bit too well in that one.

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Most likely would include Jrue, Lonzo, and at least a 1st + a few 2nds.

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Are you out of your fricking mind?

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Pointless to move jrue just to get 35 cp3

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I'm not hell bent on making this move, but a 30 year old Jrue doesn't fit the Zion timeline either so we are keeping him around for 2 reasons. To help the team win now rather than get used to losing, and semi-related, to build a winning team culture.

Chris Paul's age is a concern, but a big part of his talent is is off the charts BBIQ and his competitiveness which helps him age well. If he doesn't fall off a cliff, he brings more to the team in terms of Win Now ability and building a winning team culture. If that's why you've kept Jrue then CP3 would be an upgrade.

The next 2 years should be about Ingram and Zion becoming dominant players, and I think Chris Paul would be more helpful than Jrue at getting them there. Remember how Rondo kind of unlocked Jrue, CP3 would unlock Zion and Ingram, and if you draft your PG of the future this year, he'd have 2 years to learn from one of the best PGs of all time.

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Best (& most realistic) CP3 to the Pels trade I can come up with:

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That's a really good trade. I think every team would see it as a win. My only concern is would the Knicks throw in the Mavs pick in addition to trading back in this years draft. Without getting a 1st I'm not sure if OKC does it.

Yeah that’s the question but it’s interesting.

For us you go either Haliburton or Vassel at 8 (assuming Hayes is gone) and someone like Jalen Smith at 27.

Maybe you sign a Jeff Teague type with the MLE?

One route to getting enough salary for CP3 without sending out a bigger deal, like Jrue or JJ, is to do a sign and trade of Favors strictly for a trade exemption.

I'll just use Utah for an example, say they want Favors back for a 3/45, we can sign Favors then trade to Utah, while diverting their salary to a 3rd team, we develop a 15 million trade exception. We can then use the 15 million trade exception, add Miller's 7 million and Lonzo's 11 million, plus our 9ish million in cap space, and that gets us to 42 million in matched salary.

From everything I'm reading it is 100% legal.

Going to TJ Max to pick up my Paul jersey right NOW!

I couldn't find it spelled out like I remember seeing in the past, but I believe this is the relevant line:

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A trade in which salaries are aggregated (see question number 86) cannot be non-simultaneous.

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A non-simultaneous trade is one where you get the 1 year "trade credit", what we commonly refer to as a trade exception.