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Posted on 10/26/21 at 3:02 pm to Chad504boy
per Oleh:
Well forget my earlier optimism, I forfeit.
He won't be back until at least December. At least.
quote:
Walked into today’s media post-practice session to see Zion Williamson doing slides and some other light running/movement work.
Willie Green said Z’s not going full throttle yet, but remains on schedule for next set of scans, either later this week or next.
Well forget my earlier optimism, I forfeit.
He won't be back until at least December. At least.
Posted on 10/26/21 at 3:03 pm to supe12sta12z
It's funny...
We spend way too much time critiquing our 2019 First Rounder's workout habits, his weight, and his desire to be a Pelican. Meanwhile we spend no time at all discussing his contribution to the team's 'on-the court success'. Maybe, just maybe, it's because he's making no contribution to the team's 'on-the court success'.
It kind of seems like everyday is 'Groundhog Day' when it comes to Zion since we are saying the same things over and over since we drafted him.
Meanwhile a couple of hundred miles to our north the folks in Memphis have nothing else to talk about except what Ja means to their team's success.
What a difference one pick makes.
We spend way too much time critiquing our 2019 First Rounder's workout habits, his weight, and his desire to be a Pelican. Meanwhile we spend no time at all discussing his contribution to the team's 'on-the court success'. Maybe, just maybe, it's because he's making no contribution to the team's 'on-the court success'.
It kind of seems like everyday is 'Groundhog Day' when it comes to Zion since we are saying the same things over and over since we drafted him.
Meanwhile a couple of hundred miles to our north the folks in Memphis have nothing else to talk about except what Ja means to their team's success.
What a difference one pick makes.
Posted on 10/26/21 at 4:24 pm to Fun Bunch
quote:
It does not take 3 months for professional athletes to get in game shape if they need to be. Around Thanksgiving time at the latest if there are no setbacks is perfectly reasonable. That will be 6 weeks of full go ramp up.
what you fail to recognize, is you are lied to constantly, and you choose to believe things that likely aren't true, but your optimism leads you to believe it anyway.
Do we even know what specifically is wrong with him, other than he had surgery on his foot? They can't even bother to tell us when it happened, or how it happened, or what the diagnosis even is, or give a timetable of when to expect him back. What kind of shite is that?
his foot is hurt and we don't know when he'll be back? do you not remember this same exact crap last year?
All we know is it happened working out before summer league (whatever that means), he had surgery, and he's expected back for the regular season (which has to be one of the most bull shite statements about a return i've ever heard)
Our GM is a lying sack of shite, and he'll straight up lie to the fan base b/c he knows if he came out and said Zion's time table is January, fans would go apeshit and ticket sales would falter even more than they already have.
When you don't have good news to tell your customer, you generally avoid telling the whole truth, and give vague answers to distract from the reality of the situation. When you have good news, you have no problem whatsoever letting your customer (fanbase) know about it in detail.
none of us have any idea when he'll be back, but the fact that we know nothing, would lead me to believe he isn't returning soon.
Posted on 10/26/21 at 5:03 pm to TeddyPadillac
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Do we even know what specifically is wrong with him, other than he had surgery on his foot? They can't even bother to tell us when it happened, or how it happened, or what the diagnosis even is, or give a timetable of when to expect him back. What kind of shite is that?
his foot is hurt and we don't know when he'll be back? do you not remember this same exact crap last year?
All we know is it happened working out before summer league (whatever that means), he had surgery, and he's expected back for the regular season (which has to be one of the most bull shite statements about a return i've ever heard)
We do know what the injury is.
quote:
Pelicans executive David Griffin revealed Monday that Williamson recently had surgery to repair a fractured fifth metatarsal bone in his right foot.
Posted on 10/26/21 at 5:16 pm to TeddyPadillac
quote:He certainly may be out of shape (basketball shape). However, seeing him on opening night, he is not fat.
I would seriously doubt he plays in November. I'm sure he's fat and out of shape right now, and the longer we wait, the more out of shape he'll be.
December at the earliest, and if we keep sucking it up, would'nt be surprised if its January.
Posted on 10/26/21 at 5:20 pm to TeddyPadillac
quote:
what you fail to recognize, is you are lied to constantly, and you choose to believe things that likely aren't true, but your optimism leads you to believe it anyway.
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none of us have any idea when he'll be back, but the fact that we know nothing, would lead me to believe he isn't returning soon.
Occam's Razor suggests that Griffin was honest in saying that Zion broke his pinky toe. There's no reason to make up an injury to mask another injury. Occam's Razor also suggests that the reason that Zion's recovery is taking a little longer than that of other athletes is that he's overweight, and Griff doesn't want to talk about Zion being overweight, because he doesn't want to piss Zion off.
He's not on crutches right now. Reporters have seen him doing drills. Aaron Nelson isn't trying to redo all of Zion's biomechanics right now, and Zion wouldn't allow that to happen even if he did.
Zion wants to get on the court soon, and the team wants him on the court soon. During Zion's rookie season, we could afford to hold him out, because there was nothing at stake that season -- there's plenty at stake now, and everyone thinks that making the playoffs is critical.
So, there's no reason whatsover to think that Zion will be out another full month, because if he can run and do drills now, he should be ready to play in about three weeks -- that's just obvious stuff.
Posted on 10/26/21 at 5:33 pm to GOP_Tiger
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So, there's no reason whatsover to think that Zion will be out another full month, because if he can run and do drills now, he should be ready to play in about three weeks -- that's just obvious stuff.
I 100% agree. That would appear obvious.
yet we'll see.
Posted on 10/26/21 at 6:55 pm to Maybe Next Year
When you hear willie green talk about zion you can tell it's going to be a while.
My guess is december.
My guess is december.
Posted on 10/26/21 at 7:54 pm to LSU BASEBALL13
20 minutes after he is traded to the Lakers in 2024...
Posted on 10/26/21 at 9:10 pm to Chalkywhite84
I will say this, if he isn’t back until December that is 100% on the organization. It means one of two things:
1. The organization has lied every step of the way and his injury is not what they reported.
2. The organization is slow playing his rehab to a maliciously slow pace, which they have already done in 2019.
It can only be one of those two things. I can’t understand why the organization has decided to mislead the fans about this. All it has done has caused public opinion of Zion to crater because of most people’s desire to fill in the blanks without understanding rehabs. We know Zion has been out of the boot since at least September 27th. That means that he is 4 full weeks of full weight bearing. He has now been cleared for on court work for 2 weeks. He should be cleared for full contact within the next five days. That means 2-3 week ramp up and he should be back on the floor. He will be rehabbing 6-8 hours daily between workouts and treatment. If we don’t see him until December just know that Griff is lying about a setback with his healing or Nelson and company have decided to slow play it again.
1. The organization has lied every step of the way and his injury is not what they reported.
2. The organization is slow playing his rehab to a maliciously slow pace, which they have already done in 2019.
It can only be one of those two things. I can’t understand why the organization has decided to mislead the fans about this. All it has done has caused public opinion of Zion to crater because of most people’s desire to fill in the blanks without understanding rehabs. We know Zion has been out of the boot since at least September 27th. That means that he is 4 full weeks of full weight bearing. He has now been cleared for on court work for 2 weeks. He should be cleared for full contact within the next five days. That means 2-3 week ramp up and he should be back on the floor. He will be rehabbing 6-8 hours daily between workouts and treatment. If we don’t see him until December just know that Griff is lying about a setback with his healing or Nelson and company have decided to slow play it again.
Posted on 10/26/21 at 9:50 pm to ThePistol
quote:
I will say this, if he isn’t back until December that is 100% on the organization. It means one of two things:
1. The organization has lied every step of the way and his injury is not what they reported.
2. The organization is slow playing his rehab to a maliciously slow pace, which they have already done in 2019.
It can only be one of those two things. I can’t understand why the organization has decided to mislead the fans about this. All it has done has caused public opinion of Zion to crater because of most people’s desire to fill in the blanks without understanding rehabs. We know Zion has been out of the boot since at least September 27th. That means that he is 4 full weeks of full weight bearing. He has now been cleared for on court work for 2 weeks. He should be cleared for full contact within the next five days. That means 2-3 week ramp up and he should be back on the floor. He will be rehabbing 6-8 hours daily between workouts and treatment. If we don’t see him until December just know that Griff is lying about a setback with his healing or Nelson and company have decided to slow play it again.
Or....
3.) His body is not responding because he's too fat.
Posted on 10/26/21 at 10:49 pm to Maybe Next Year
quote:Internet detectives figured out that the injury had to happen sometime between July 10 and July 31. Zion was already walking around without a boot by mid August.
Fractures of the fifth metatarsal injuries can occur in a variety of ways and in multiple spots along the bone. Avulsion fractures of the bone happen when one of the attached muscles pulls away a fragment of the metatarsal. Stress fractures in the fifth metatarsal are possible and often involved the diaphysis or mid-shaft of the bone. A fifth metatarsal fracture can be classified as a Jones fracture if the bone breaks at or near the base of the bone. Jones fractures are often slow to heal as the blood supplied to the area is limited. As a result, Jones fractures often require surgical intervention to help reduce the chances of a delayed union or nonunion.
Recovery following surgery can occur in six-to-eight weeks though an 8-to-10-week window is likely a safer estimate.
In 2009 while leading the well-respected Suns medical team, Nelson and his team worked Robin Lopez back from surgery to fix a fifth metatarsal fracture in just 52 days. Lopez never exhibited any associated setbacks or complications. The variables in the two cases may vary but Williamson is in proven hands.
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Even if we take the July 31 date, we're already well past the more conservative 8-10 week window, when guys are already on the court playing games. Zion isn't even running yet.
This post was edited on 10/26/21 at 10:50 pm
Posted on 10/27/21 at 7:15 am to eyeran
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Internet detectives figured out that the injury had to happen sometime between July 10 and July 31. Zion was already walking around without a boot by mid August.
Even if we take the July 31 date, we're already well past the more conservative 8-10 week window, when guys are already on the court playing games. Zion isn't even running yet.
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Recovery following surgery can occur in six-to-eight weeks though an 8-to-10-week window is likely a safer estimate.
I mean, what more do some of you need to see?
8-10 week recovery time is normal, big arse Robin Lopez gets back in 7 weeks.
Here Zion is at the 13-15 week mark, and he's no where close to being back.
Posted on 10/27/21 at 7:27 am to TeddyPadillac
quote:
Here Zion is at the 13-15 week mark, and he's no where close to being back.
This is why I say it is a Pelicans problem. These injuries are taking entirely too long to rehab. So either they are lying (which I think we all know is happening) and/or Nelson and staff are doing a terrible job. Professional athletes should always be on the quick side of recovery. They should NEVER take 50-100% longer to recover.
Posted on 10/27/21 at 7:58 am to TeddyPadillac
Like the bubble absence for "personal reasons" I suspect there is eventually going to come out more to this story
Posted on 10/27/21 at 8:27 am to Maybe Next Year
quote:
What a difference one pick makes.
Yeah, we got the much better player
Posted on 10/27/21 at 8:41 am to ThePistol
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This is why I say it is a Pelicans problem. These injuries are taking entirely too long to rehab. So either they are lying (which I think we all know is happening) and/or Nelson and staff are doing a terrible job. Professional athletes should always be on the quick side of recovery. They should NEVER take 50-100% longer to recover.
What's more realistic - a guy known as one of the best trainers in the NBA suddenly forgetting how to treat injuries or...
A player who has a history of taking forever to recover and is probably 50 LBs over his ideal playing weight it the root cause?
This is on no one but Zion's fat arse and his stupid arse family.
Posted on 10/27/21 at 1:10 pm to ghost2most
In my opinion, Zion has one foot out the door. I have yet to hear his name on anything concerning relief efforts for the victims of Hurricane Ida. In the past, he paid the salaries of the Smoothie King Center workers for their financial situations due to COVID.
I don’t know, but his silence is deafening. I hope that I am wrong.
I don’t know, but his silence is deafening. I hope that I am wrong.
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