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re: Pels trade hawk Peavy and 2 2nds for Taj Gibson and AJ Johnson
Posted on 9/9/26 at 10:28 am to whatiknowsofar
Posted on 9/9/26 at 10:28 am to whatiknowsofar
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two 2nds matter
They dont.
You can't be this dumb.
Didn't 3 good players just get traded for 2 2nds?
Posted on 9/9/26 at 10:32 am to Chalkywhite84
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Didn't 3 good players just get traded for 2 2nds?
Jose's trade was criminal and I've been on record with that.
Posted on 9/9/26 at 10:48 am to whatiknowsofar
quote:They absolutely do. Look at some very solid players that would help this team that were traded for 2nd rounders this offseason. Heck, Stewart alone would have filled a hole in the roster.
They dont.
Posted on 9/9/26 at 10:51 am to whatiknowsofar
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Jose's trade was criminal and I've been on record with that
What about Lu Dort, Isaiah Stewart, and Aaron Wiggins? All would help us and all went for 2nds
Posted on 9/9/26 at 11:04 am to Balsamic_duck
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What about Lu Dort, Isaiah Stewart, and Aaron Wiggins? All would help us and all went for 2nds
Poole/ Hawk are the only (2) players that could match similar salary. If we planned to get Mathurin and move Hawk then Jordan Poole was the only asset you can trade to make these work.
The Lu Dort for 2nds defense is getting tiresome. The $80mil into the Owners pocket is why he was traded for the value. And the team had to take his salary without sending any out which we can't do.
Pistons weren't going to take on an extra $15-$20mil for Poole. Wiggins would have been ok but it if we plan to keep Mathurin/ Bey long term then its just makes it tighter to give them contracts.
Maybe all would help us but unfortunately trades include players preference, salary, team needs, team wants, etch. Jaylen Brown would have helped us too for the value if he didn't say "I'm not going to the Pelicans."
Yes 2nd's can matter and help with trades but there's alot more to some of the examples you gave.
Posted on 9/9/26 at 11:35 am to whatiknowsofar
quote:This seems like the mindset of Dumars, which is a small example of why we suck so badly under Dumars.
They dont.
Not caring about 2nds is how you end up having to dump 2nds to duck the tax when it was otherwise completely avoidable and most Pels fans said it in the moment that picking up the Hawkins option was a terrible move.
Posted on 9/9/26 at 11:36 am to Balsamic_duck
quote:Hell, Herb Jones is on our team, was a 2nd round pick.
What about Lu Dort, Isaiah Stewart, and Aaron Wiggins? All would help us and all went for 2nds
The idea that they're completely useless, so it's ok to botch the Hawkins option and that cost us a 2nd round pick is just wild
Posted on 9/9/26 at 11:59 am to shel311
quote:Agreed. There is absolutely no argument to support wasting 2nd round picks.
The idea that they're completely useless, so it's ok to botch the Hawkins option and that cost us a 2nd round pick is just wild
Posted on 9/9/26 at 3:36 pm to shel311
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The idea that they're completely useless, so it's ok to botch the Hawkins option and that cost us a 2nd round pick is just wild
Agreed. But to imply we could have used it for Dort, Stewart, etcc is also absurd. Going from extreme to extreme.
Yes we screwed up and it cost a 2nd. No, that doesn't mean we end up with Lu Dort. It was bad, it wasn't close to that bad.
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Not caring about 2nds is how you end up having to dump 2nds to duck the tax when it was otherwise completely avoidable
It also has no correlation to going after Dort, Stewart, Wiggins, or any other player.
If we cut Hawk the only thing that happens is we sign Mathurin. Watford wasn't necessary unless we planned to trade/ cut Peavy anyway. The difference is simply just cutting Hawk/ Peavy and keeping an extra 2nd.
Its worth being pissed we didn't just cut him, its not worth a discussion about getting unrealistic assets because we lost a random future 2nd.
This post was edited on 9/9/26 at 3:38 pm
Posted on 9/9/26 at 3:44 pm to Dantheman504
quote:I have zero idea why you're mentioining those players' names to me specifically.
It also has no correlation to going after Dort, Stewart, Wiggins, or any other player.
Posted on 9/9/26 at 4:09 pm to BallHawk
Saw a report that Grizzlies may waive Hawkins as well as Walter Clayton. If true, I would have preferred to see what Clayton could do here over Johnson. Maybe Joe wanted to look at the younger guy in Johnson.
Posted on 9/9/26 at 4:24 pm to shel311
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I have zero idea why you're mentioining those players' names to me specifically.
You quoted that specific comment in your last post and then insinuated Herb was also a 2nd rd pick somewhat agreeing with the post.
Herb is actually a fair example as to why this could hurt us but its still not guaranteed and more likely the 2nd rd pick sucks.
This post was edited on 9/9/26 at 4:44 pm
Posted on 9/10/26 at 9:51 am to Dantheman504
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The Lu Dort for 2nds defense is getting tiresome. The $80mil into the Owners pocket is why he was traded for the value. And the team had to take his salary without sending any out which we can't do.
No shite. You still need the 2nds to do it. You are one hard headed motherfricker.
No one is saying we would've done that trade. We are speaking about the value of 2nd round picks. They have plenty value.
I remember years ago when the pels had an abundance of 2nd round picks and people were saying they were useless. Why not take more shots in the 2nd round to find an NBA player??
Posted on 9/10/26 at 11:43 am to Chalkywhite84
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No one is saying we would've done that trade. We are speaking about the value of 2nd round picks. They have plenty value.
I never said they didn't have value. They could also have 0 value. The Lu Dort trade has nothing to do with the value of 2nd rd picks which is why its stupid that people keep bringing it up like some gotcha.
Creating a scenario where we would have ended up with the best asset possible when there's just as much of a chance its a dud is excessive.
I'm pissed about this premise of wasting a 2nd, I'm not going to purposely imagine us losing out on Herb Jones/ Lu Dort solely to make myself more pissed..
Remember when we were interested in Mathurin and people were infuriated at the thought of trading a 1st or Herb? Same miserable shite, the only goal is to get as outraged as possible.
I'm more pissed off we extended Hawk to begin with > wasting a 2nd to make sure he doesn't touch the court again.
We attached a 2nd rd pick to get rid of a failed Lottery pick.
I'm not going to stay miserable over pick #40 when the lottery pick drafted 3x higher was absolutely dogshit. C'mon.
This post was edited on 9/10/26 at 11:49 am
Posted on 9/10/26 at 5:31 pm to Dantheman504
Wow!!..some of yall need to take a breath we are talking about 2nd round picks
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