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Posted on 2/20/14 at 7:32 am to Galactic Inquisitor
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That said, I'm really not sure how much sense Hill makes for the Pelicans. It's only for the remainder of the season and our big rotation has gotten better with Ajinca and Babbitt.
He makes a lot of sense. Everyone keeps thinking we need a physical bruiser type. The problem with the Pelicans isn't that they get backed down by Shaq and he puts up 50 a night. That just doesn't exist in the league anymore. The problem is we get killed on the boards because Davis and Aminu are the only guys on the team that are better than average at rebounding. Jordan Hill may be a 4/5 tweener, but he's a good rebounder 17.6% for his career, 18.8% this year, and around 20% over the last 3 years. And getting a guy to shore up the big rotation now means resigning him with bird rights which saves our MLE for SF help.
Posted on 2/20/14 at 7:34 am to VOR
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As we all have done from time to time. That can't be the issue.
Hey, diddle diddle, Ray Rice will knock a bitch out.
Posted on 2/20/14 at 7:36 am to 42
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They would have a sign-and-trade route available to them in the offseason.
Some of the specualtion I've seen is they are trying to both get under the tax and keep Gasol. To do that they have to find a dumpee for Kaman as well, but their motivation may not be cashing out for assets.
Posted on 2/20/14 at 7:40 am to MrPappagiorgio
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He would be the 3rd best big on the roster behind AD and Anderson
You let Steamer and/or Smith walk and resign Hill IMO
For some reason I was thinking that the DPE basically made him a UFA with no Bird rights. Not sure where I got that from, but I was apparently wrong. I would much rather Hill than Smith or Stiemsma going into next year.
I wonder how D'antoni feels about Pierre Jackson...
ETA - I assume you could couple the rights to Jackson with the DPE.
This post was edited on 2/20/14 at 7:41 am
Posted on 2/20/14 at 7:42 am to TigerinATL
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He makes a lot of sense. Everyone keeps thinking we need a physical bruiser type. The problem with the Pelicans isn't that they get backed down by Shaq and he puts up 50 a night. That just doesn't exist in the league anymore. The problem is we get killed on the boards because Davis and Aminu are the only guys on the team that are better than average at rebounding. Jordan Hill may be a 4/5 tweener, but he's a good rebounder 17.6% for his career, 18.8% this year, and around 20% over the last 3 years. And getting a guy to shore up the big rotation now means resigning him with bird rights which saves our MLE for SF help.
Agree. Makes sense to me.
Posted on 2/20/14 at 7:46 am to TigerinATL
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Some of the specualtion I've seen is they are trying to both get under the tax and keep Gasol. To do that they have to find a dumpee for Kaman as well, but their motivation may not be cashing out for assets.
I mean the Pelicans. The Pelicans can grab the guy, then let gim walk, flip him, or re-sign him.
You have to lose a guy to get him, but if it a guy you can trade, do it. If not, cut someone not in the plans for next season.
Plenty of options. The on the court aspect of a Hill transaction is only part of the story.
Posted on 2/20/14 at 7:48 am to 42
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New wrinkle in Jordan Hill trade talks: Word is Lakers are seeking second-round pick as part of deal on top of dumping Hill's salary
— Marc Stein (@ESPNSteinLine) February 20, 2014
Figured this was coming next since they have multiple suitors for Hill. I believe the earliest draft pick we have to trade is our 2015 2nd round pick.
Posted on 2/20/14 at 7:53 am to WB504
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Figured this was coming next since they have multiple suitors for Hill. I believe the earliest draft pick we have to trade is our 2015 2nd round pick.
I can't remember if it is New Orleans' or Minne's or someone else's from that Miller-Lopez series of deals, but there is one in 2015, I think.
ETA: scratch that... 2015 went away in Paul deal.
There is also Pierre and any proceeds from other deals today, including a multi-team deal involving Hill to New Orleans.
This post was edited on 2/20/14 at 7:57 am
Posted on 2/20/14 at 7:53 am to WB504
This would probably be one of the exceptions to "Don't trade Pierre for multiple 2nds". Jordan Hill was likely to be one of our targets for bigs this offseason, if you can lock him up now and focus the MLE on SF, that's pretty useful.
Posted on 2/20/14 at 8:00 am to TigerinATL
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This would probably be one of the exceptions to "Don't trade Pierre for multiple 2nds". Jordan Hill was likely to be one of our targets for bigs this offseason, if you can lock him up now and focus the MLE on SF, that's pretty useful.
Yes.
Why not trade Pierre for multiple seconds? He was one second. Maybe be selective about the seconds, but they are clearly useful.
If Pierre was in Europe, I am not sure he would have any exceptional value. Also, we really don't know what his value is... Could be talk, could be some instigated buzz.
He has value, but it is not clear what it is. Two seconds from lottery teams... I'd do it. LATE first seems like as good as it could possibly get in terms of a single asset.
Posted on 2/20/14 at 8:04 am to 42
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I can't remember if it is New Orleans' or Minne's or someone else's from that Miller-Lopez series of deals, but there is one in 2015, I think.
We may not have another 2nd until 2018
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Minnesota Timberwolves: Receives New Orleans Pelicans 2014 second-round pick via the Darius Songaila trade on 9/9/09.
Washington Wizards: Receives New Orleans Pelicans 2015 second-round pick (via the L.A. Clippers and the Nick Young trade on 3/15/12) via the Eric Gordon trade on 12/14/11.
Milwaukee Bucks: Receives New Orleans Pelicans 2016 second-round pick from the Sacramento Kings via Luc Richard Mbah a Moute trade on 7/12/13.
Minnesota Timberwolves: Receives New Orleans’ 2017 second-round pick (top-55 protected, extinguished thereafter) via Brad Miller trade on 7/13/12.
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I'm not sure where a 2nd was involved in the Darius Songaila trade. I do remember something about the right to swap 2nds with Philly that year, not sure how Minnesota would have ended up with our 2014. I also think the protections aren't fully documented, like the one the Bucks have via the Kings in 2016, I think is one of those pretend picks we gave up when dumping someone like Hilton Armstrong or Bobby Brown.
Still, if we need a current 2nd, it looks like trading a current player is the only way to make that happen.
Posted on 2/20/14 at 8:07 am to TigerinATL
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Still, if we need a current 2nd, it looks like trading a current player is the only way to make that happen.
Can anyone verify if you could couple the rights to Pierre with the DPE? If not, you could probably trade him for a second or two and use that pick to tickle the Lakers.
Posted on 2/20/14 at 8:11 am to Galactic Inquisitor
It seems like if the Lakers don't want Pierre, you could pull in a third team to give the Lakers a 2nd in return for getting Pierre.
Posted on 2/20/14 at 8:11 am to Galactic Inquisitor
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Can anyone verify if you could couple the rights to Pierre with the DPE?
Even if you couldn't, you could easily do it as 2 separate transactions.
Posted on 2/20/14 at 8:12 am to WB504
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New wrinkle in Jordan Hill trade talks: Word is Lakers are seeking second-round pick as part of deal on top of dumping Hill's salary
So rights to Pierre for Hill? LA can sit on him until next season, save tax money, and have a 2nd with pro experience. Sounds like a win for them.
Posted on 2/20/14 at 8:25 am to THRILLHO
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From Ramona Shelburne of ESPNLosAngeles.com: "Sense is Brooklyn and New Orleans are leaders for Jordan Hill. Charlotte, Atlanta among others who've expressed interest."
From ESPN.com's Marc Stein: "All three teams (Nets, Pelicans and Hawks) possess Disabled Player Exception to take Jordan Hill without sending Lakers player back."
ESPN Rumors (Insider)
ETA: SIAP
This post was edited on 2/20/14 at 8:26 am
Posted on 2/20/14 at 8:27 am to burdman
If jordan hill could even average 6/6 in 20 minutes...it'd be a whole lot better than what we have right now.
Posted on 2/20/14 at 8:30 am to Galactic Inquisitor
Giveth thy Pelicans Jordan Hill or giveth them death.
I won't be to bummed if we don't get Hill now. I am just happy they are actually showing interest in him now, hopefully they can at least get him in the off season.
I won't be to bummed if we don't get Hill now. I am just happy they are actually showing interest in him now, hopefully they can at least get him in the off season.
Posted on 2/20/14 at 8:30 am to htran90
So I don't dislike Jordan Hill or anything, but I have a hard time being excited about this. He's a tweener (though his game is more of a center's game) and he'd have to resign to even make it worth making the move.
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