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re: Pels granted permission to talk to Redden about GM job

Posted on 4/22/19 at 10:59 am to
Posted by Crewz
Member since Jun 2014
5093 posts
Posted on 4/22/19 at 10:59 am to
Griffin has a ton of connections around the league. There won't be a lack of information. He will have key people in place in time and access to all their data. But he needs to value intangibles more moving forward.

When asking around about Griffin, the number 1 negative people who worked with him, tell me about him, is that he values talent above all else. At a scary level at times. People always bring up Bennett, but he also had Waiters over Lillard on his board. He saw more explosiveness and upside. Was intrigued by his raw talent. With coaches, players, everyone - he is just in love with raw talent. You saw it with Blatt too. Super smart guy. Brilliant. But there was little thought to how he would bond with rich, famous, American players. How he would work with the media, with other staff, etc. It was just a pure talent acquisition.

My hope is that he has learned from this and he is going to find a way to understand what intangibles matter
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
104987 posts
Posted on 4/22/19 at 11:07 am to
Sounds like Michael Jordan in that respect.

He sees talent but figures everyone has the drive to succeed. Most players don’t have the work ethic he did.


From an LSU fan’s perspective, this is the difference between Shaq and Stanley Roberts, who were both excellent big men on the team at the same time.

Shaq had work ethic thanks to a drill sergeant stepfather and, generally, kept himself in shape until the late days of his career.

Stanley? Not so much. Kicked out of LSU for drinking in the athletic dorms. Europe for a season before the NBA draft but failed a drug test for some kind of supplement he took during that time. Shipped out from Orlando to the Clip Show when the Magic got Shaq in the lottery, and it was all downhill from there between being on a shitty team, using drugs, and gaining too much weight by eating junk food.


If you asked me in about 1990 which of the two would be in the HOF and which would be a bust, I’d have put Stanley in the HOF because he was pretty much a modern stretch 4 in the body of a center back in the days where the center was the focus of a team.
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
131386 posts
Posted on 4/22/19 at 11:09 am to
It is kind of an old school nba way of thinking: Talent wins out.

And often it does. The NBA draft is such an absurd crapshoot that you have to rely on projecting that physical talent will win out. Because you can measure that to a certain degree and intangibles are so hard to predict.

But I think that you can judge intangibles from meetings, coaches, and even analytics. It is something that has to be part of the evaluation process.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112940 posts
Posted on 4/22/19 at 11:38 am to
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So, do I tell you guys and risk idiots like Shell bashing me and calling me a fake when one of these guys chooses someone else and then Shell and Upperdecker and all those idiots come on and say, "See, I told you guys he was full of it. He said we were getting Redden and Redden is staying in LA!"
There is literally no risk if you said it exactly as you stated, you're playing dumb for some weird reason.

But as I pointed out, and Bunch agreed, you take credit for shite by going out of your way to tell make sure everyone knows you called something correct when no one is even questioning it, like you did with Griffin. But when you say Ferry got the job and are posting about when it's going to be announced, and you get called out on that, instead of manning up and saying you got it wrong, you crawfish your way out of it with some dumb posts that do nothing to help your cause.

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Or do I just drop hints and maybe make burner Twitter accounts to let my friends and other writers know so they can put that info out there? Or, do I say nothing?
If you have to make burner accounts, if you had one iota of self-awareness you'd realize that is a YOU problem, not a problem with others.

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I am working on the elite board and maybe that will give me a place, maybe it won't.
This post was edited on 4/22/19 at 11:43 am
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112940 posts
Posted on 4/22/19 at 11:39 am to
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tell them there is no more and nothing is ever certain.

It's literally that simple.

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i feel like you like to self create this unnecessary drama around yourself.
Well, obviously.
Posted by corndeaux
Member since Sep 2009
9634 posts
Posted on 4/22/19 at 12:27 pm to
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But he needs to value intangibles more moving forward.

When asking around about Griffin, the number 1 negative people who worked with him, tell me about him, is that he values talent above all else. At a scary level at times.


Good article from cleaningtheglass on Possibiilty v Certainty in roster building.

LINK
Posted by PelicanFever
Member since Jun 2017
135 posts
Posted on 4/22/19 at 5:38 pm to
I always appreciate you sharing any info you may have!

As a diehard, makes me feel more aware of the process instead of just the final outcome.

Thank you again!

Posted by touchdownjeebus
Member since Sep 2010
26726 posts
Posted on 4/23/19 at 7:42 am to
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So, do I tell you guys and risk idiots like Shell bashing me and calling me a fake.


“frick dem”
-coach eaux
Posted by ThanosIsADemocrat
The Garden
Member since May 2018
9395 posts
Posted on 4/23/19 at 10:26 am to
shel is plus on this board.

He’s a contrarian to group think and a guy like Crewz is better when he has someone to counter him.

This board is as hot and cold as any on TD.

Debate is good. It’s why we all are here. This isn’t Hornets Report.

Crewz will get more appreciation(what he fairly seeks) when he’s right if he takes the L when he’s wrong.
Posted by Crewz
Member since Jun 2014
5093 posts
Posted on 4/23/19 at 10:35 am to
Incorrect. I don't want appreciation. I want people to never mention me (good or bad) in a personal context. Lets just talk basketball, instead of derailing threads with convos about me. Thats Shells issue. There is a misconception that I don't like debate and disagreement. That couldn't be further from the truth. Its what I like the most. But about BASKETBALL. Not about whether I am a jerk or not, etc. Thats pointless and derails threads. Go look at Shell or Upperdecker's last 200 posts. Write two columns and log

1) Number of times they made an intellectual point about basketball
2.) Number of times they talked about "Crewz"

Number 2 will win by a 10 to 1 margin. THAT is what I seek to change, and what we all should seek to change
This post was edited on 4/23/19 at 11:03 am
Posted by whatiknowsofar
hm?
Member since Nov 2010
27990 posts
Posted on 4/23/19 at 10:41 am to
Can't we all just...get along?

-Jack Nicholson, Mars Attacks
Posted by ThanosIsADemocrat
The Garden
Member since May 2018
9395 posts
Posted on 4/23/19 at 11:05 am to
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ou can't read. I don't want appreciation. I want people to never mention me (good or bad) in a personal context. Lets just talk basketball, instead of derailing threads with convos about me. Thats Shells issue. There is a misconception that I don't like debate and disagreement. That couldn't be further from the truth. Its what I like the most. But about BASKETBALL. Not about whether I am a jerk or not, etc. Thats pointless and derails threads. Go look at Shell or Upperdecker's last 200 posts. Write two columns and log


You can do all that, but absolutely everyone wants recognition for work they do.

If you didn’t, you would go back to your burner, or create a new one.

Or from the genesis, never reveal your real name, your old blog, or refer to your connection to a front office guy.

If you wanted to talk basketball and not “scoop”, your subject matter would differ.

It’s not an attack on you, it’s a realistic and accurate evaluation,l
Posted by Cheesy Beaver
Kenna brah
Member since Dec 2014
4424 posts
Posted on 4/23/19 at 11:12 am to
im just hoping to get some more of that.....inside info
Posted by jmcwhrter
Member since Nov 2012
8096 posts
Posted on 4/23/19 at 11:20 am to
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2.) Number of times they talked about "Crewz"


Ran the numbers.. Crewz mentions finished tied with number of times you added some unnecessary veiled insult about how stupid everyone else on PT is
Posted by Snipe
Member since Nov 2015
17085 posts
Posted on 4/23/19 at 11:26 am to
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Incorrect. I don't want appreciation.


I'm sure I'll get accused of derailing the conversation but, Someone who constantly sets themselves apart from (and above) those they communicate with and to the point that they have an "elite" area, where only those of their choosing my enter.

Doesn't exactly scream humble and humility.

You very much seek validation in the form of your fans appreciation in this forum and I would imagine other forums as well.

Perhaps this is subconscious, but I doubt it. I seems very much narcissistic.

Understand I don't say that to be mean or confrontational, just that it is what it is.
Posted by jmcwhrter
Member since Nov 2012
8096 posts
Posted on 4/23/19 at 11:54 am to
It's the internet.. who gives a shite.

The Pelicans have exactly the same number of insider sources as they do full-time scouts.. plus one of, if not THE worst team of reporters covering them.

Any info Crewz can provide is of course appreciated
Posted by NOFOX
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2014
10128 posts
Posted on 4/23/19 at 11:57 am to
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I’m told potential Pelicans front office addition Trent Redden is in New Orleans this week.

It doesn’t mean his hire is certain.

David Griffin is holding a large-scale meeting with the team’s incumbent staff later this week, which should help sort out who is in/who is out.


From Kushner
Posted by jmcwhrter
Member since Nov 2012
8096 posts
Posted on 4/23/19 at 11:59 am to
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David Griffin is holding a large-scale meeting with the team’s incumbent staff later this week, which should help sort out who is in/who is out.


"who here likes Solomon Hill? raise your hands.."
Posted by cgrand
HAMMOND
Member since Oct 2009
50374 posts
Posted on 4/23/19 at 12:01 pm to
lopez
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Can confirm that Trent Redden is in New Orleans right now. Met with Griffin already. Redden is currently the No. 3 shot caller in L.A. w/ the Clippers. Could potentially be the new Pelicans GM if all goes well. Griffin will continue to assemble his team in the coming weeks.
Posted by Crewz
Member since Jun 2014
5093 posts
Posted on 4/23/19 at 12:03 pm to
Wrong again. I want an elite forum because I only want the best minds and no distractions. Not so I can have a bunch of people applauding me.

If you guys were privy to the level of convos I get to have with people in the business and with other BSS writers, etc, you would see how sophomoric convos on most boards are. I want a community where those people and the 10-12 smart posters on this board could all discuss and disagree at a high level, free of the riff Raff. And I am sure the high level posters here would love that as well. Imagine a place with ONLY smart people. Ah, we can dream
This post was edited on 4/23/19 at 12:04 pm
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