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re: Pels get the #1 pick, who would you want to draft?

Posted on 4/29/22 at 5:36 pm to
Posted by Macintosh
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Posted on 4/29/22 at 5:36 pm to
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Who do we take if we get 3 or 4 pick?
as a sucker for hype, I’m going with Sharpe. It has more to do tho with me not fully buying into Ivey and his potential as a starter/star

Unless Sharpe is shitting the bed during this draft process. This is also assuming jabari and Chet go 1,2
This post was edited on 4/29/22 at 5:37 pm
Posted by uptowntiger84
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Posted on 4/29/22 at 5:41 pm to
Pels ain't getting the #1 pick.
Posted by shel311
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Posted on 4/29/22 at 5:43 pm to
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Pels ain't getting the #1 pick.
Let's bet and give me 10 to 1 odds then
This post was edited on 4/29/22 at 5:50 pm
Posted by Terrific Tales
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Posted on 4/29/22 at 5:47 pm to
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Let's bet and give me 10 to odds then

Lmao shel tryna finesse
Posted by shel311
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Posted on 4/29/22 at 5:50 pm to
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Lmao shel tryna finesse
Shooters shoot!!
Posted by uptowntiger84
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Posted on 4/30/22 at 10:24 pm to
Why do you want odds?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 4/30/22 at 10:37 pm to
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Why do you want odds?

That's how the top picks are awarded?
Posted by shel311
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Posted on 4/30/22 at 10:59 pm to
The funny thing is I was thinking of the 26% for a top 4 pick. But it's actually 6% for #1 so my 10-1 odds offer would be a bad bet for me lol.
Posted by NolaTiger52
New Orleans
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Posted on 4/30/22 at 11:01 pm to
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This is the laziest take that for some reason became popular. Is he just a risk because he’s skinny?

I think Chet will be very good at some point, maybe even better than Smith. But, the Pels need someone to give meaningful minutes now. Chet will have to gain weight to be completely effective in the NBA, which will take a couple of seasons
Posted by Dinky Mulberry
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Posted on 5/1/22 at 10:17 am to
Unless there is some underlying reason why Chet can't gain a few pounds, I'm goin' with Chet. Perfect situation for us, unless you think Val is gonna be around for more than another year or two AND can help us win it all as our C. I doubt the first part of that and would be stunned if the 2nd part were true.

Do we need more 3-pt shooting? Who knows, at this point... but I DO believe with CJ, BI when he goes back to his VERY effective 3-pt game you saw the 1st 2 years he was here, Trey and EVEN Herb, who is gonna shoot about 37% next year...we'll have plenty of 3-pt shooting.

Do we need serious upgrade on the defensive end at the C position to be a serious contender?? Does that really need to be answered? Bottom line, I just kinda like the idea of sayin'... "The Pels are goin' small"... when they bring in Chet with his 12' wingspan to replace Val and STILL protect the rim, guard the P&R and even step out and guard the jump shot. BTW: Did Chet REALLY shoot 39% from 3 last year...while not even knowing, who Fred Vinson is ?? Hmmm...
This post was edited on 5/1/22 at 12:44 pm
Posted by lil 7thward
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Posted on 5/2/22 at 7:04 am to
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Pels get the #1 pick, who would you want to draft?
Jabari Smith
Posted by htran90
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Posted on 5/2/22 at 7:27 am to
Evan Mobley as a rookie 7ft and 215lbs

Chet holmgren as a freshman 7ft and 195lbs

Their game and defensive ability are similar. Chet won't anchor a defense like Mobley didn't, until they both get near 230 or build muscle. That's why they have Jarrett Allen still. We could do that as well
This post was edited on 5/3/22 at 4:45 pm
Posted by CP3forMVP
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 5/2/22 at 8:02 am to
I can at least say I wouldn’t take Paolo #1, so that narrows it down a tad.
Posted by TeddyPadillac
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Posted on 5/2/22 at 8:07 am to
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I think Chet will be very good at some point, maybe even better than Smith. But, the Pels need someone to give meaningful minutes now


well that's not how you draft, at any point in the draft much less in the top 3.
You want someone to contribute now, then go sign a FA or make a trade. If the rookie you draft takes their spot, then so be it.
Posted by CP3forMVP
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Posted on 5/2/22 at 8:46 am to
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well that's not how you draft, at any point in the draft much less in the top 3.
You want someone to contribute now, then go sign a FA or make a trade. If the rookie you draft takes their spot, then so be it.


This x100

and to add to it, none of these guys will reach their ceilings for 4-6 years. So don't draft for now, because you don't have any clue what your roster will look like in half a decade. 5 years ago Solomon Hill was second on the team in total minutes played.

Heck, 8 of the top 10 were Solomon Hill, E'Twaun Moore, Dante Cunningham, Tim Frazier, Terrence Jones, Buddy Hield, Langston Galloway, and Alexis Ajinca. 5 years ago. So if you hypothetically have Paolo Banchero #1 on your board, take him, and worry about the rest later.
This post was edited on 5/2/22 at 8:47 am
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 5/2/22 at 9:11 am to
I think another thing a lot of people don't realize is that if you don't look like you're going to be an All Star level player early, the odds are very high you will be traded before or during your 2nd contract. If we get a top 4 pick that player might be here long term, if we stay at 8 the odds are you're drafting an asset for a future trade, so pick the one that is going to hold/increase his value the most.
This post was edited on 5/2/22 at 9:11 am
Posted by CP3forMVP
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 5/2/22 at 9:22 am to
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I think another thing a lot of people don't realize is that if you don't look like you're going to be an All Star level player early, the odds are very high you will be traded before or during your 2nd contract. If we get a top 4 pick that player might be here long term, if we stay at 8 the odds are you're drafting an asset for a future trade, so pick the one that is going to hold/increase his value the most.


Another good point, if you go back to 2017 then count back 5 drafts, of the 70 guys selected in the lottery only 12 of them are still with the team that drafted them.

Joel Embiid
Marcus Smart
Karl-Anthony Towns
Myles Turner
Devin Booker
Jaylen Brown
Jamal Murray
Jayson Tatum
De'Aaron Fox
Jonathan Isaac
Donovan Mitchell
Bam Adebayo

That's 83% of the lottery that has been on a new team, if not multiple new teams. There's even a few guys on that list above that will probably be coming off here rather soon. Tells me you better swing for the fences.

Also what I've been saying about Jaxson, the chances he remains on this roster are probably rather slim.
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 5/2/22 at 9:31 am to
I'd say Zion and Herb are the only players drafted so far in the Zion era that have a decent likelihood of being here on a 3rd contract. It's all about money and minutes. The lower down the depth chart you are the harder it is for the player and the team to stay on the same page long term.
Posted by brmark70816
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Member since Feb 2011
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Posted on 5/2/22 at 10:34 am to
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Unless there is some underlying reason why Chet can't gain a few pounds, I'm goin' with Chet.


This gets glossed over quite a bit. But there is more than Holmgren being underweight. It is his physical base and body composition. Scouts are concerned because he is built in an unusual way that generally does not result in athletic success. It is a massive concern and a risk.

It is the same how Zion can only lean out so much. Holmgren can only add so much muscle. I don't think it is worth the gamble. I would pass on him..
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 5/2/22 at 10:45 am to
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Holmgren can only add so much muscle. I don't think it is worth the gamble. I would pass on him..


What are your expectations for him though? Every Pels fan that seems to like him sees him as a center. But what if he doesn't gain anymore weight and is really a very skilled, very tall wing? Kind of like Ingram? That may not fit the Pels immediate needs but still seems like a very valuable player.
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