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re: Pelicans' rookie Kira Lewis Jr. is a student of the game
Posted on 11/29/20 at 11:52 am to bonethug0180
Posted on 11/29/20 at 11:52 am to bonethug0180
NAW is also 6'6 isn't he? I think he's pretty slim but if he added some weight you think he might can guard some 3 on the wing?
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Posted on 11/29/20 at 11:55 am to Pelefraan 1
quote:
Why have we only had 1 real small forward in 15 years
Because 3 & D wings that can guard 1-4 have become necessary in today's game and the supply is limited. Most of the time you get 3 OR D but not both, or you get someone that's more 2/3 than 3/4 that leaves you vulnerable to either big wings or fast guards.
On top of that you have guys like Batum, Barnes, and Otto Porter Jr. who got overpaid to the point that they are unmovable and get stuck languishing away on bad teams. If they were on more reasonable contracts they no doubt would have been traded after not being the answer their teams had hoped for and you'd have a better supply available.
Posted on 11/29/20 at 11:59 am to Epic Cajun
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The thought probably is that Hart is going to get more than the 12ish minutes that will be left at 3, unless BI is going to play more 4 and that is going to open up more minutes at the 3.
Why would Ingram be playing more 4? We didn't go grab Adams because we are going to be playing more small ball. We did that to avoid needing to play more small ball.
Adams, Zion, Ingram, Ball, and Bledsoe will all get 25+ mpg as starters.
That doesn't leave minutes for Ingram to play PF. Not to mention we signed 2 guys that can play PF behind Zion. As well as having Melli who shouldn't be playing nearly as much center this year (unlike last year when we were desperate for center minutes).
Edit:
I misread. And yeah Hart will play some 2, but the majority of his time will be at the 3. 12-14 minutes at the 3 and maybe 2-6 at the 2.
This post was edited on 11/29/20 at 12:03 pm
Posted on 11/29/20 at 12:04 pm to Pelicans15
6'5", 205 lbs. He could spend some time at the 3 if needed. I think he'll be mostly at guard though.
Also not completely out of the question that Ball gets some time at the 3 when Ingram isn't on the court. It won't be many minutes, but I could see a situation where he and Hart are on the floor together and he takes the SF on defense while Hart takes the SG.
Also not completely out of the question that Ball gets some time at the 3 when Ingram isn't on the court. It won't be many minutes, but I could see a situation where he and Hart are on the floor together and he takes the SF on defense while Hart takes the SG.
This post was edited on 11/29/20 at 12:08 pm
Posted on 11/29/20 at 12:15 pm to bonethug0180
240 total minutes available.
Bledsoe - 32
Lonzo - 32
Ingram - 33
Zion - 33
Adams - 25
That's 155 minutes for your starters. 85 minutes left for your bench. Based on last years minutes:
JJ - 26
Hart - 27
Jaxon - 17
Meli - 17
That 87 out of the 85 remaining bench minutes, leaving no minutes for
NAW
Kira
Sindarius Thornwell
Willie Hernangomez
Wenyen Gabriel
and the 2 2 way players.
I think whether either NAW or Kira get any minutes might depend on how well BI as Point Forward works. If it does I can see them on the bench. If Ingram isn't a good enough creator then we probably need one of NAW/Kira in the rotation.
Bledsoe - 32
Lonzo - 32
Ingram - 33
Zion - 33
Adams - 25
That's 155 minutes for your starters. 85 minutes left for your bench. Based on last years minutes:
JJ - 26
Hart - 27
Jaxon - 17
Meli - 17
That 87 out of the 85 remaining bench minutes, leaving no minutes for
NAW
Kira
Sindarius Thornwell
Willie Hernangomez
Wenyen Gabriel
and the 2 2 way players.
I think whether either NAW or Kira get any minutes might depend on how well BI as Point Forward works. If it does I can see them on the bench. If Ingram isn't a good enough creator then we probably need one of NAW/Kira in the rotation.
Posted on 11/29/20 at 12:19 pm to TigerinATL
Bledsoe hasn’t played 30 or more minutes since 2017. 32 minutes isn’t a given. And Adams haven’t played less than 26 mpg since 2015. He’s should easily play 28-30 mpg based on his past 4 seasons.
Posted on 11/29/20 at 12:23 pm to TigerinATL
I really see Ingram similar to Butler offensively in this offense. If you watch Miami everything is initiated off his initial action. Prime postionlss basketball
Posted on 11/29/20 at 12:28 pm to TigerinATL
quote:
240 total minutes available.
Bledsoe - 32
Lonzo - 32
Ingram - 33
Zion - 33
Adams - 25
That's 155 minutes for your starters. 85 minutes left for your bench. Based on last years minutes:
JJ - 26
Hart - 27
Jaxon - 17
Meli - 17
That 87 out of the 85 remaining bench minutes, leaving no minutes for
Yeah, I just did this calculation and came out to a 9 man rotation, which is why I asked about SVG and deep benches.
Posted on 11/29/20 at 12:30 pm to supe12sta12z
quote:
Bledsoe hasn’t played 30 or more minutes since 2017. 32 minutes isn’t a given.
That's not because of his age or health, that's because Bud is notorious for not playing his starters normal "starter's minutes". The 3 seasons prior to going to Milwaukee Bledsoe averaged between 32-34 MPG.
Your point on Adams seeing more minutes is fair, we also have no clue what kind of minutes Zion will get. Either way, 155 minutes for all of the starters seems reasonable, which leaves only 85 minutes for bench players which is the real number of importance in this discussion.
With the limited minutes available I think it will be hard for either NAW or Kira to crack the rotation unless the team needs a primary creator off the bench.
Posted on 11/29/20 at 12:37 pm to TigerinATL
quote:
240 total minutes available.
Bledsoe - 32
Lonzo - 32
Ingram - 33
Zion - 33
Adams - 25
That's 155 minutes for your starters. 85 minutes left for your bench. Based on last years minutes:
JJ - 26
Hart - 27
Jaxon - 17
Meli - 17
That 87 out of the 85 remaining bench minutes, leaving no minutes for
NAW
Kira
Sindarius Thornwell
Willie Hernangomez
Wenyen Gabriel
and the 2 2 way players.
I think whether either NAW or Kira get any minutes might depend on how well BI as Point Forward works. If it does I can see them on the bench. If Ingram isn't a good enough creator then we probably need one of NAW/Kira in the rotation.
This is a great breakdown and to me shows that Lewis should spend time in the G League. It's not a slight of him. We're just loaded at Guard right now and i think it would do him better getting consistent minutes. Next season that logjam can be easily cleared. I would say the same is true for NAW.
Posted on 11/29/20 at 12:48 pm to TigerinATL
Look at Reggie Jackson with Detroit. The only season he played 32 mpg was the season they acquired him. His minutes was reduced to 30mpg the next season when he had his career year and reduced throughout the rest of his time there due to injuries. The same thing with Jameer Nelson. He never played big starter minutes until Stan was fired. The only exception was Wade. I think there’s a case for Bledsoe playing no more than 30mpg with the young players cutting into his minutes if they play well.
Posted on 11/29/20 at 1:17 pm to supe12sta12z
Griff is also a factor. A source of friction with Gentry was Griff wanting NAW to get minutes over Moore. I’m sure there’s an expectation from the FO for NAW and Kira to get minutes.
I think the biggest thing I see after looking at this is there are still several trades left to be made balance the roster. With Lonzo and JJ being the prime candidates.
I think the biggest thing I see after looking at this is there are still several trades left to be made balance the roster. With Lonzo and JJ being the prime candidates.
Posted on 11/29/20 at 1:21 pm to TigerinATL
What we need for balance is 3 and D small forwards
Which are also the most in demand players in the league
Takes two to trade
Which are also the most in demand players in the league
Takes two to trade
Posted on 11/29/20 at 3:10 pm to bonethug0180
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6'5", 205 lbs.
NAW started the season there, but he grew 3/4 of an inch between then and the bubble. I definitely see us playing more 3-guard lineups, because he and Lonzo are both big enough to guard many opposing SFs.
Ingram definitely added muscle before the bubble last season. If he has since added more, then I think that lineups with him at PF can have more success than they did last year.
ATL, I don't see Melli getting 17 minutes a game this season when then the rest of the roster is healthy -- maybe 10.
Posted on 11/29/20 at 5:45 pm to TigerinATL
quote:
student of the game
i didn't know he was white
Posted on 11/29/20 at 7:05 pm to TigerinATL
quote:
240 total minutes available.
Bledsoe - 32
Lonzo - 32
Ingram - 33
Zion - 33
Adams - 25
That's 155 minutes for your starters. 85 minutes left for your bench. Based on last years minutes:
JJ - 26
Hart - 27
Jaxon - 17
Meli - 17
That 87 out of the 85 remaining bench minutes, leaving no minutes for
NAW
Kira
Sindarius Thornwell
Willie Hernangomez
Wenyen Gabriel
and the 2 2 way players.
It's nice to look at the math, BUT this is based on last year under a different coach and different players.
Bledsoe is likely to see a reduction. Adams and the other starters are probably close to right.
JJ I think gets a drop for sure, falling more into the sharpshooter only role. Still likely to see at minimum 15 but no more than 20.
Hart is likely about right. Maybe a tad high at best.
Hayes and Melli are both headed for falls. We added a lot of depth to this front court, and Melli was forced to play center and more minutes due to injuries (both to Zion and Favors). Hayes was also forced into more minutes because of injuries.
Posted on 11/29/20 at 8:46 pm to bonethug0180
Kira will not play in the g-league, this guy will be in the rotation often and early. Griffin didn't draft this guy with the intention of him not playing this year.
Posted on 11/29/20 at 8:48 pm to Earthquake
Right. I really don't get why people think a guy as talented as Lewis is will be in the g league. You don't send guys that good to the g league.
Unless he just isn't catching on, but from what's been said about him I highly doubt that will be the case.
Unless he just isn't catching on, but from what's been said about him I highly doubt that will be the case.
Posted on 11/29/20 at 9:00 pm to Earthquake
Griffin drafted Hayes 8th last season with the intention of him playing big minutes in the G-League but injuries derailed that plan.
We have alot of guards on the roster, if there is a G-League, depending on requirements, Kira will likely be playing there as there will be no minutes on the main roster.
We have alot of guards on the roster, if there is a G-League, depending on requirements, Kira will likely be playing there as there will be no minutes on the main roster.
Posted on 11/29/20 at 9:03 pm to Soggymoss
I asked Trajan specifically about Kira and the G league. Kira will be with the Pels.
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