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re: Pelicans, one of the teams, reached out to Portland for Damian Lillard
Posted on 7/4/23 at 8:09 pm to Dinky Mulberry
Posted on 7/4/23 at 8:09 pm to Dinky Mulberry
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It can come in very handy in certain circumstances.
For sure, Id like to see him at 5-6 3’s per game also, but you have to understand his game. He wants to get the team the best shot so if the three isn't available in transition or off multiple ball swings he’d rather probe and manipulate the defense.
Personally, I like he and Zion better as finishers but they are the teams best playmakers so the ball gravitates to them often (rightfully so) to make a play. Down side of this is it results in them taking difficult shots that they finish at a high clip because they’re good.
I think Borrego corrects some of this with emphasis on off ball movement getting them both easier looks. But in general because the court shrinks as you progress through the playoffs (look at Butler and Murray) a mid-range assassin is not bad to have in your back pocket.
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Posted on 7/4/23 at 8:24 pm to Macintosh
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that’s highway robbery. Anyone who wouldn’t do this is an idiot
Compared to every other even semi realistic trade I've seen, it's definitely the best in not hamstringing us in the future. We just have to fix the center position still.
Posted on 7/4/23 at 8:37 pm to Macintosh
quote:Correct, very unrealistic and favoring the Pels.
that’s highway robbery
Also, Blazers want young players and assets, and have a full backcourt. From all reports, I don't see them wanting a deal where Harden is the featured dude.
Posted on 7/4/23 at 8:49 pm to shel311
Yup. Idk who threw that one together, but it’s not realistic on multiple fronts
Posted on 7/5/23 at 9:16 am to bonethug0180
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Sixers receive: CJ McCollum, Delon Wright, 2025 first-round pick (via MIL)
That Mil 2025 1st is worthless from us. It's only conveyed if it's top 4. The Knicks own the pick.
and it makes no sense that the Pels/Blazers would trade 2025 picks.
amateur trade machine user.
Posted on 7/5/23 at 9:31 am to bonethug0180
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Instead, we should and will keep the window potentially open for 10-12 years
We’re acting like we’ve had an open window. We’ve won a play in series and a couple of first round playoff games. There is no window yet. 10-12 years is just wishes and unicorn farts. It would be extremely unlikely that Zion Williamson with be playing high level basketball at age 32-34 on his current trajectory, certainly not to the point of giving you a “window.”
Brandon ingram will be in his mid-late 30s at that time. Anything can happen in the lottery but then you can really say anyone in the league has a 10-12 year window.
Even if we unload these guys for more than their current value at some point in the near/medium term, unless we hit on some insane draft pick whatever window you’re referring to isn’t likely a championship one.
This post was edited on 7/5/23 at 9:42 am
Posted on 7/5/23 at 10:25 am to shel311
quote:The only way I could see them wanting Harden is to create cap space the following season as he is an expiring. However, not sure I would want him even for a year if I were them as he takes away playing time from the young players and he is not the great role model they need.
Also, Blazers want young players and assets, and have a full backcourt. From all reports, I don't see them wanting a deal where Harden is the featured dude.
Posted on 7/5/23 at 10:33 am to NOSHAU
Further complicating a Dame deal to Miami, teams are asking for compensation to take Herro in. Brooklyn would take Herro, but they want a 1st rounder to do it.
Per Jake Fisher
Per Jake Fisher
Posted on 7/5/23 at 10:47 am to Soggymoss
quote:Brooklyn might as well play hard ball since Miami would improve dramatically with Dame.
Further complicating a Dame deal to Miami, teams are asking for compensation to take Herro in. Brooklyn would take Herro, but they want a 1st rounder to do it.
Per Jake Fisher
Posted on 7/5/23 at 11:02 am to NOSHAU
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Brooklyn might as well play hard ball since Miami would improve dramatically with Dame.
Hell yeah they should. I’m really hoping everyone plays hardball. This idea that the blazers should accommodate this trade to a singular team because Dame was a model player for them that seems to permeate a lot of nba fan culture is insane.
Posted on 7/5/23 at 11:03 am to St Augustine
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. This idea that the blazers should accommodate this trade to a singular team because Dame was a model player for them that seems to permeate a lot of nba fan culture is insane.
It's not insane, but Dame missed his window for this.
The supply of teams just isn't there and he signed too large/long of a contract.
Same thing happened with Beal. WAS should have dealt him 2-3 years ago. Instead they almost had to salary dump him.
Posted on 7/5/23 at 11:09 am to SlowFlowPro
This deal in the new CBA will be an important one. It's going to reset the market and put balance back into the value of draft picks. The days of getting 3 drafts picks and 2 swaps are probably over. The return for Dame isn't going to be good.
Posted on 7/5/23 at 11:12 am to SlowFlowPro
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The supply of teams just isn't there and he signed too large/long of a contract.
Dame also had the double misfortune of pulling this under a new CBA and a day into free agency when teams have already started to fill cap space.
The new CBA was designed to limit this kind of trade specifically between limits on outgoing picks and the second apron affecting salary for trades.
If he made the decision before the draft, Portland and other teams could have worked with the likes of Houston and San Antonio to dump salary as part of pulling off a deal.
Waiting until a day into free agency means that Duncan Robinson, Herro, etc, have to go and Portland doesn’t want them.
Posted on 7/5/23 at 11:21 am to SlowFlowPro
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It's not insane, but Dame missed his window for this.
It might not be insane, but it is stupid. If you want to choose which team you play on, then go to free agency. It's one thing for a team to be "loyal" to a player in the sense that you aren't going to trade them to the worst team in the league, but that's as far as it should go (and realistically that shouldn't even be expected). It's absurd to think that a team shouldn't keep their own best interest in mind when trading a player that requests to be traded.
Posted on 7/5/23 at 11:31 am to St Augustine
If we think Trey is going to be an important part of our team going forward, which i do, then i think this is a move that makes us still a contender with still a lot of options.
Portland gets Zion/Kira
Spurs get CJ
Pels get Dame, Collins, McBuckets, 5 2nds back from Spurs, 2025 pick swap with Blazers, 2026 1st from Blazers, 2027 pick swap with Blazers.
I do not want to bring in Dame, and keep CJ. I love CJ, and i know they'd love to play together again, but it just doesn't make sense on the court. They are both poor defenders, and it means one of Herb/Trey wouldn't start. If Dame is on the team, then Herb needs to be out there to protect him.
I think Trey can average 18ppg easily at the 4 with Dame/BI out there, while not taking away from Dame or BI points.
You have to remember that you aren't going to have 3 guys averaging 20+ ppg. It's extremely rare. I'd rather have a team that compliments itself, rather than just amass offensive talent. I don't think a Dame/BI/Zion core can work. Too many poor defensive players, and one of them has to take a huge backseat offensively, which means you aren't getting the full potential from their massive salary. and adding CJ to that core is even dumber both offensively and defensively. If Trey is going to be a big part of the future, then invest in him. We will still have the assets to upgrade the 5 position to whatever we want.
Dame/Jose
Herb/Dyson/Hawkins
BI/McBuckets/Naji
Trey/MLE/Liddell
JV/Collins/Nance/Zeller
That puts us at 14 players with Liddell, and right at $161M in salaries. Should leave us about $4M to spend on the last player to stay under the tax.
Dario Saric is out there, Paul Reed, JaMychal Green, or if Matkovic would come over for $3-4M, and is legit, then do that.
This also give us the ability to upgrade JV in Dec/Jan if we need to.
Could do all of that the same swapping BI out instead of Zion, but one of them has to go, and so does CJ. To be honest, i really don't care if it's BI or Zion. I think keeping BI is more conducive to us winning a championship right now. I think keeping Zion would be better long term for the Pels since Dame can't have that much more in him. I just feel Trey would be better at the 4 with BI/Herb at the 2/3, than having Zion/Trey at the 3/4. and i'd expect to not get any picks back from Portland if it was BI instead of Zion.
Portland gets Zion/Kira
Spurs get CJ
Pels get Dame, Collins, McBuckets, 5 2nds back from Spurs, 2025 pick swap with Blazers, 2026 1st from Blazers, 2027 pick swap with Blazers.
I do not want to bring in Dame, and keep CJ. I love CJ, and i know they'd love to play together again, but it just doesn't make sense on the court. They are both poor defenders, and it means one of Herb/Trey wouldn't start. If Dame is on the team, then Herb needs to be out there to protect him.
I think Trey can average 18ppg easily at the 4 with Dame/BI out there, while not taking away from Dame or BI points.
You have to remember that you aren't going to have 3 guys averaging 20+ ppg. It's extremely rare. I'd rather have a team that compliments itself, rather than just amass offensive talent. I don't think a Dame/BI/Zion core can work. Too many poor defensive players, and one of them has to take a huge backseat offensively, which means you aren't getting the full potential from their massive salary. and adding CJ to that core is even dumber both offensively and defensively. If Trey is going to be a big part of the future, then invest in him. We will still have the assets to upgrade the 5 position to whatever we want.
Dame/Jose
Herb/Dyson/Hawkins
BI/McBuckets/Naji
Trey/MLE/Liddell
JV/Collins/Nance/Zeller
That puts us at 14 players with Liddell, and right at $161M in salaries. Should leave us about $4M to spend on the last player to stay under the tax.
Dario Saric is out there, Paul Reed, JaMychal Green, or if Matkovic would come over for $3-4M, and is legit, then do that.
This also give us the ability to upgrade JV in Dec/Jan if we need to.
Could do all of that the same swapping BI out instead of Zion, but one of them has to go, and so does CJ. To be honest, i really don't care if it's BI or Zion. I think keeping BI is more conducive to us winning a championship right now. I think keeping Zion would be better long term for the Pels since Dame can't have that much more in him. I just feel Trey would be better at the 4 with BI/Herb at the 2/3, than having Zion/Trey at the 3/4. and i'd expect to not get any picks back from Portland if it was BI instead of Zion.
Posted on 7/5/23 at 11:33 am to TigerinATL
He got you CJ when he was available. get a new bit
Posted on 7/5/23 at 11:33 am to St Augustine
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This idea that the blazers should accommodate this trade to a singular team because Dame was a model player
Yeah i see all these Heat fans saying Portland should take less to “do right by Dame”
They did right by Dame with the 500 million dollars in contracts they’ve given him. Thats all they’re entitled to do, frick taking a lesser deal just because the team he want’s doesn’t have assets.
Posted on 7/5/23 at 11:39 am to Epic Cajun
quote:But think of all the goodwill this will do for future free agents wanting to go to Portland!!!
It might not be insane, but it is stupid. If you want to choose which team you play on, then go to free agency. It's one thing for a team to be "loyal" to a player in the sense that you aren't going to trade them to the worst team in the league, but that's as far as it should go (and realistically that shouldn't even be expected). It's absurd to think that a team shouldn't keep their own best interest in mind when trading a player that requests to be traded.
Posted on 7/5/23 at 11:41 am to GOP_Tiger
quote:It's odd how Pels fans have managed to make this a negative thing about Griff.
Whatever else you want to say about him, the man is not lazy. He will always, always do his due diligence.
Posted on 7/5/23 at 11:49 am to shel311
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It's odd how Pels fans have managed to make this a negative thing about Griff.
I don't think it's a negative, he knows how to work the media and raise the profile of the team and I'm glad he does it. It's better than being irrelevant. But fans who follow the team should know ahead of time it's not happening. Every time Griff goes big game hunting, he doesn't have the right bait.
- Only a 3 year contract for Horford
- Not being a playoff team mattered to every Free Agent guard besides the one you had to trade a 1st for.
- Not being willing to trade either of BI or Zion for Scoot.
JV and The Memphis Trade was a nice get, that was probably Griff's best offseason even counting the Graham and Lonzo misfires. And I'm not saying all of the above were failures and he should have offered more, just that fans expectations should take into account that Griff tends to go into these things with big eyes and an under market offer.
This post was edited on 7/5/23 at 11:50 am
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