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re: Pelican interested in trading for Kevin Love
Posted on 7/5/21 at 12:23 am to saints63213
Posted on 7/5/21 at 12:23 am to saints63213
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I think Griffin needs to be fired asap if this is his great plan...
The question isn't will Love turn the team into a contender, it's will Love give you more than what you trade for him, which would probably be Bledsoe and Adams. You can definitely argue that Love will provide more than those 2 would. You also can play Love and Jaxson together which you probably don't want to to with Jax and Adams.
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Posted on 7/5/21 at 2:25 am to TigerintheNO
But why
Posted on 7/5/21 at 7:16 am to TigerintheNO
If we do this, Griff should be fired immediately
Posted on 7/5/21 at 7:42 am to gotiger
All these people so against this also ask in every OKC trade thread why we aren't doing the same thing, taking on a "bad contract" rehabbing his image then flipping for more assets, but when the possibility comes up you bitch and moan about it.
Bled/Adams for Love is not a bad deal if there's no other "big" trades to be had this offseason. You could rehab Love's image then send him off to another team at the deadline and get more assets back, or even use his salary in a big trade that maybe available at the deadline. If he comes in and plays well (very likely with Zion and BI taking the scoring load), then he pretty much becomes a slightly positive asset.
If I'm Griff and Cleveland is willing to do the swap, I do it in a heartbeat.
Bled/Adams for Love is not a bad deal if there's no other "big" trades to be had this offseason. You could rehab Love's image then send him off to another team at the deadline and get more assets back, or even use his salary in a big trade that maybe available at the deadline. If he comes in and plays well (very likely with Zion and BI taking the scoring load), then he pretty much becomes a slightly positive asset.
If I'm Griff and Cleveland is willing to do the swap, I do it in a heartbeat.
Posted on 7/5/21 at 10:34 am to Soggymoss
Spot on Soggy.
It's not like that's the main trade you go into the offseason looking to make, but if you can't make any other big needle mover trades, then this is a great fall back option.
It's not like that's the main trade you go into the offseason looking to make, but if you can't make any other big needle mover trades, then this is a great fall back option.
Posted on 7/5/21 at 10:52 am to TigerinATL
quote:Not certain about this. The issue with Love is not talent, but availability. In the last 2-3 years, he has looked like his body is breaking down and he is not getting any younger. It is a risk.
The question isn't will Love turn the team into a contender, it's will Love give you more than what you trade for him, which would probably be Bledsoe and Adams. You can definitely argue that Love will provide more than those 2 would.
Posted on 7/5/21 at 11:07 am to NOSHAU
I’d think 1/3 of a decent Kevin Love is better than anything Bledsoe.
Upon first reading, I thought this was a terrible idea, but Bledsoe is so bad that I think he’s addition by subtraction. If we don’t have to send out assets with him, Love isn’t a bad return.
Upon first reading, I thought this was a terrible idea, but Bledsoe is so bad that I think he’s addition by subtraction. If we don’t have to send out assets with him, Love isn’t a bad return.
Posted on 7/5/21 at 11:10 am to NOSHAU
What's the risk of nothing else is available out there? He only has 2 years on his deal, so next season you have a large expiring to send out in a deal. His deal saves you 4 million this season, and only costs an extra 7 million next season.
There's literally no risk, and the reward is far greater than it would be if you keep Adams and Bledsoe.
Ask yourself if you'd rather have Bledsoe and Adams for the next 2 years, or spend 3 million more and have the upside that Love can possibly bring.
There's literally no risk, and the reward is far greater than it would be if you keep Adams and Bledsoe.
Ask yourself if you'd rather have Bledsoe and Adams for the next 2 years, or spend 3 million more and have the upside that Love can possibly bring.
Posted on 7/5/21 at 11:18 am to Soggymoss
quote:If Adams and Bledsoe are available to play and Love is not, which would you rather have? Would a $28 million expiring Love be more valuable to a $17 million expiring Adams and $4 million expiring Bledsoe?
What's the risk of nothing else is available out there? He only has 2 years on his deal, so next season you have a large expiring to send out in a deal. His deal saves you 4 million this season, and only costs an extra 7 million next season.
There's literally no risk, and the reward is far greater than it would be if you keep Adams and Bledsoe.
Ask yourself if you'd rather have Bledsoe and Adams for the next 2 years, or spend 3 million more and have the upside that Love can possibly bring.
Posted on 7/5/21 at 11:22 am to NOSHAU
Give me Love over both of them. The upside he would bring to this team is worlds higher than what Bledsoe and Adams bring. I would rather a guys be hurt and not play than go out there and half arse it while not giving a shite, and another one that trys to play through injuries while being a shell of his real self.
Also, there's teams out there willing to take on Love for nothing, you'll have to pay to dump Bled and Adams. That's a win there.
Also, there's teams out there willing to take on Love for nothing, you'll have to pay to dump Bled and Adams. That's a win there.
Posted on 7/5/21 at 11:23 am to NOSHAU
I’m good with Love for Adams and Bledsoe with a second and protected 1st. But I wouldn’t give up 10 in this deal.
Posted on 7/5/21 at 11:24 am to Soggymoss
Not to mention that we actually need someone to play the 4 when Zion comes out. Love fills a need. He can hit 3s and rebound, which is something that we need if Hayes is playing center.
If you buy into the idea that Hayes is working hard this summer, bulking up, and is going to be ready to start next season, then Love is really a great fit.
If you buy into the idea that Hayes is working hard this summer, bulking up, and is going to be ready to start next season, then Love is really a great fit.
Posted on 7/5/21 at 11:30 am to NOSHAU
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Not certain about this. The issue with Love is not talent, but availability. In the last 2-3 years, he has looked like his body is breaking down and he is not getting any younger. It is a risk.
We're going to have to take risks now that Zion has put us on the clock..
And Love's "injury" history is alot like Anthony Davis when he was on the Pels with an eye toward L.A.
Posted on 7/5/21 at 11:32 am to jmcwhrter
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We're going to have to take risks now that Zion has put us on the clock..
Bingo
And things are going to go tits up more likely than not
Posted on 7/5/21 at 11:54 am to jmcwhrter
quote:Agree we have to take risks. If it was a straight swap, I guess it is worth the risk. I do not think his injuries are the same as AD. I think he is truly breaking down, and at nearly 33, not unexpected. I think Adams and Bledsoe would give us more salary flexibility as each could be dealt in separate transactions if needed. However, Love would give us more roster flexibility.
We're going to have to take risks now that Zion has put us on the clock..
And Love's "injury" history is alot like Anthony Davis when he was on the Pels with an eye toward L.A.
This post was edited on 7/5/21 at 11:55 am
Posted on 7/5/21 at 12:00 pm to Soggymoss
quote:In fairness, Kevin Love is kind of all 3 of these in 1
I would rather a guys be hurt and not play than go out there and half arse it while not giving a shite, and another one that trys to play through injuries while being a shell of his real self.
Posted on 7/5/21 at 12:02 pm to jmcwhrter
quote:
We're going to have to take risks now that Zion has put us on the clock..
Acquiring Love is the exact type of move that we would do. It’s why we suck
quote:
And Love's "injury" history is alot like Anthony Davis when he was on the Pels with an eye toward L.A.
Love is heading into his 14th season at age 33 and has played 35% of possible games over the past 3 seasons. Declining skills, doesn’t enjoy being on a young team
Posted on 7/5/21 at 12:03 pm to shel311
Not really. He has tried to play through injury sure, but he still played at a higher level than Adams.
And the last thing you can do is say he doesn't give a shite, he literally gets pissed on the floor when the young guys there are just standing around dribbling the ball.
And the last thing you can do is say he doesn't give a shite, he literally gets pissed on the floor when the young guys there are just standing around dribbling the ball.
Posted on 7/5/21 at 1:21 pm to Soggymoss
quote:And when he gets pissed he does half arse it, though.
And the last thing you can do is say he doesn't give a shite, he literally gets pissed on the floor when the young guys there are just standing around dribbling the ball.
Posted on 7/5/21 at 1:42 pm to GynoSandberg
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doesn’t enjoy being on a young team
There’s a big difference between Cleveland’s young team and our young team.
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