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Outside of moving BI, there should be a trade Moratorium on the Pelicans FO

Posted on 1/2/25 at 8:05 am
Posted by 50_Tiger
Arlington TX
Member since Jan 2016
42937 posts
Posted on 1/2/25 at 8:05 am
The biggest mistake we can do is trade talent (aka Herb and Trey) to salvage anything. You need to be ten toes down for either Harper or Flagg and maximizing that opportunity.

Unfortunately I think Griff is going to get another coaching pick (which might be more alarming than the coach itself) but were a non serious franchise.

You have to see what the new coach can do with a core of (depending on pick ofc):

Missi
Zion/Flagg
Trey
Herb
Harper/DJM

I genuinely believe Willie Green is such a fricking terrible coach that he is a net negative in any type of additional player growth outside of what they already brought to the table.

Trey Murphy doesnt have plays called for him but has managed to get a decent in between game over the past two years. Imagine if a good coach was helping him along this entire time instead of having vets (who arent even here anymore) constantly starting and taking minutes from him.

I need to see this core with an actual coach play NBA basketball. Worse case is we actually do move off Herb/Zion to try and build around Trey/Missi/Harper or Flagg.
Posted by CP3forMVP
Member since Nov 2010
15778 posts
Posted on 1/2/25 at 8:33 am to
I've said it before, there's not a single untouchable player on this roster. At least there shouldn't be. I get this fan base is connected to guys like Herb and Trey, but if a team calls you up and really wants one of those two, and they give you great value, you do it every time.
Posted by biggdogg
United States
Member since May 2008
1898 posts
Posted on 1/2/25 at 9:12 am to
The roster isn’t bad , the biggest issue is the offense. 4 out, Perimeter Pick, Handoff, 3pt shot.
Posted by TeddyPadillac
Member since Dec 2010
29756 posts
Posted on 1/2/25 at 9:14 am to
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I get this fan base is connected to guys like Herb and Trey, but if a team calls you up and really wants one of those two, and they give you great value, you do it every time.



Why?
Why would you trade them right now? What is your goal by trading them? To give up on the next few years and just start all over, as i assume you're trading away BI/Zion as well? What's the point of that? We have a ton of talent. There is zero reason for us to be terrible next year b/c we traded away everything for picks. Look at what the Grizzlies are doing this year now that they are healthy. They weren't stupid enough to think about trading Bane and JJJ and Clarke. They rode out the injury riddled season last year, got better by drafting Edey with their top 10 pick, are actually getting great minutes from their 2nd round pick in Wells, as well as two other unknowns in Pippen and Huff. and they still have 2nd round pick GGJ who they were able to develop last year b/c of all those injuries getting ready to return soon.


It woudl be beyond stupid to trade either of them with their age and contract. The only way they get traded is if you're getting back an all-star, and I don't mean Zach Lavine all-star, i mean Devin Booker to Giannis all-star.
You don't trade away young talent on good contracts just b/c their value is high to get back more picks and hope you can draft someone as good as them in the future. That's just a stupid way to run an nba team. We are not in the same position as the Nets. They should trade both Cams. They have no other talent on their team and want to be bad. We have way too much talent to be throwing it all away.
Posted by Jamohn
Das Boot
Member since Mar 2009
13592 posts
Posted on 1/2/25 at 9:17 am to
This is a refreshingly level-headed post. A lot of us are just so frustrated and venting. I end up just not posting because I don’t enjoy spending time in negativity and that’s all this season has been. You’re right though.
Posted by Macintosh
Lane State University
Member since Sep 2011
55834 posts
Posted on 1/2/25 at 9:27 am to
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Why would you trade them right now? What is your goal by trading them? To give up on the next few years and just start all over, as i assume you're trading away BI/Zion as well? What's the point of that? We have a ton of talent.
we don’t have a ton of talent. Team is a bad fit. Play in after play in even when healthy. I wouldn’t trade Trey but if someone offered 3 picks for Herb, you have to take that deal. His value is not going to be higher than what it is rn.

Also comparing the grizzlies to us is dumb when they’ve shown massive success with their roster. They were a top 3 seed team before the injuries. We’re fighting for play in spots in consecutive years. It’s incomparable.


Posted by Galactic Inquisitor
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Member since Dec 2013
18452 posts
Posted on 1/2/25 at 9:31 am to
It's way more important to dump Zion than it is to trade BI. Ingram is a good teammate who doesn't wreck your culture every minute he's on the team.
Posted by Galactic Inquisitor
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Member since Dec 2013
18452 posts
Posted on 1/2/25 at 9:37 am to
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we don’t have a ton of talent.


This, we have a lot of very good role players plus Zion and BI. The BI relationship is done and Zion is lazy and likely wants out. That leaves you with the roster that's currently getting its shite pushed in every single night. What makes you think these guys are untouchable? Trey has one good game in another loss and we forget all the times he shrinks from the pressure?
Posted by TeddyPadillac
Member since Dec 2010
29756 posts
Posted on 1/2/25 at 10:11 am to
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we don’t have a ton of talent.



Yes. We do. Almost every single media person has said we have one of the most talented rosters in the league.

We have 5 guys on this roster who can average 20+ a game for a season, and 4 of them have done it multiple times, and Trey is doing it this year. How many teams have that on their roster?
We have an all-nba perimeter defender, and Missi's shot blocking is elite and he will only get better.
And we have a 2nd year player who's 3 point shooting is elite off the move and demands defensive attention without the ball, which helps create space for everyone else.

We have 8 guys who could start for almost every team in the league, and we are about to add a top 7 pick to that.

Get the frick out of here we don't have a ton of talent. Our lack of talent is with our GM and head coach, not our players. Maybe they don't fit together as great as other talented teams, but to say we aren't talented is dumb. Outside of the Celtics, you'd be hard pressed to convince me there's another team with more talent in their top 8 than us.


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Also comparing the grizzlies to us is dumb when they’ve shown massive success with their roster. They were a top 3 seed team before the injuries.


oh you mean like when we were 21-14 to start last year, and 23-12 to start the year before? Those are top 4 teams in the West records right there. We have without a doubt shown we can be successful when healthy. The problem is we are rarely ever healthy.

The play is to move BI and/or Zion, and i'd lean towards the lazy fatass who doesn't care about playing basketball if there's a stupid enough team out there to give us a nice return for him. If BI doensn't want to agree to a reasonable extension, then fine, trade him.
Posted by duyp
Member since May 2011
3323 posts
Posted on 1/2/25 at 10:50 am to
I say anyone is available if the offer is right. If Atlanta offers Jalen Johnson for Trey Murphy, I would take it. Just like if Boston offers Pritchard for Herb Jones. Neither will happen but I am just throwing an example out there.
Posted by TeddyPadillac
Member since Dec 2010
29756 posts
Posted on 1/2/25 at 11:02 am to
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I say anyone is available if the offer is right. If Atlanta offers Jalen Johnson for Trey Murphy, I would take it. Just like if Boston offers Pritchard for Herb Jones. Neither will happen but I am just throwing an example out there.


Makes zero sense.

Posted by htran90
BC
Member since Dec 2012
31893 posts
Posted on 1/2/25 at 11:04 am to
I'd bank that the FO is considering moving onto Ingram, see if Cj is wanting to stay or he traded, lands top 4 pick, and run it back with a new coach and scheme.

Whats sad is a coach like quin Snyder was available, we just coulsnt get him. There's 4 players on that roster who's grown tremendously in his 1.5 years there. Is it coincidence or good coaching idk, but history says he's a good coach.

You can't tell me any player has developed or became different than their projection in their pelicans tenure.

Herb was always elite defensively.
Trey was always a 3pt threat
Ingram didn't develop anymore and neither did zion.
Naw, Lewis, daniels, hayes, and even now Hawkins ate all meh imho.

Posted by TeddyPadillac
Member since Dec 2010
29756 posts
Posted on 1/2/25 at 11:15 am to
What Trey is doing offensively right now is definitely different than what he has in the past. Him driving the lane last night and sticking the ball out like Harden to get fouled was awesome to see.

I've also been a lot more impressed with Hawkins defense this year than last.




I really don't care if we move BI and Zion, but one thing that has to happen if both are moved is we have to get back an allstar level creator/scorer in return. We can't lose our two best offensive players who can create for themselves and others, and not replace that with at least 1 elite guy that can do that. And i don't mean a rookie when I say that.
Posted by Pistol44
New Orleans
Member since Jun 2019
2298 posts
Posted on 1/2/25 at 11:20 am to
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You can't tell me any player has developed or became different than their projection in their pelicans tenure


Struck a nerve right here. #1 gripe with this team is that no one gets better. Basketball IQ or Physical development. Just get out there and figure it out.
Posted by duyp
Member since May 2011
3323 posts
Posted on 1/2/25 at 11:21 am to
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Makes zero sense.


Anyone is tradable if the offer is there. That was my main point.
Posted by TeddyPadillac
Member since Dec 2010
29756 posts
Posted on 1/2/25 at 11:27 am to
quote:

Anyone is tradable if the offer is there. That was my main point.



I don't disagree.

I just find it funny you think a Trey for Jalen Johnson swap is something either team would do, or the fact that getting back a backup PG for Herb is a good trade.


We have assets coming out of our arse still. If you're going to trade Trey, then you use your other assets with him and you get back an all-nba type player.
Posted by NOSHAU
Member since Feb 2012
13481 posts
Posted on 1/2/25 at 11:50 am to
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Just like if Boston offers Pritchard for Herb Jones
What?
Posted by Macintosh
Lane State University
Member since Sep 2011
55834 posts
Posted on 1/2/25 at 11:59 am to
quote:

The play is to move BI and/or Zion,
were in agreement on this. Both should go as well as CJ. If someone overpays for one of our roleplayers, we’d be dumb not to take it especially if we’re doing a reset and won’t be competitive for the next couple of years.
Posted by htran90
BC
Member since Dec 2012
31893 posts
Posted on 1/2/25 at 12:00 pm to
Jalen Johnson is a better player than trey is right now.

Pritchard is a backup who would be eaten alive defensively in a different system.

All players should be available, but that's some dumb ideas. Lol
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112624 posts
Posted on 1/2/25 at 3:00 pm to
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Why?
Why would you trade them right now? What is your goal by trading them? To give up on the next few years and just start all over, as i assume you're trading away BI/Zion as well? What's the point of that? We have a ton of talent. There is zero reason for us to be terrible next year b/c we traded away everything for picks. Look at what the Grizzlies are doing this year now that they are healthy. They weren't stupid enough to think about trading Bane and JJJ and Clarke. They rode out the injury riddled season last year, got better by drafting Edey with their top 10 pick, are actually getting great minutes from their 2nd round pick in Wells, as well as two other unknowns in Pippen and Huff. and they still have 2nd round pick GGJ who they were able to develop last year b/c of all those injuries getting ready to return soon.
Right

I keep seeing over and over to trade Herb and get a 1st....More than likely, a contending team would want Herb, so...


We're gonna trade Herb Jones for a late 1st round draft pick and....hope for the 10-15% chance that this 24th pick in the 1st round becomes as good as Herb 3 years from now? Why?
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