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Posted on 6/14/21 at 6:07 pm to TeddyPadillac
Wouldn't mind Sexton but would need to pair him with a very good defensive 2. This offseason's biggest needs are a guard who can shoot, a 3 and D wing (or two. Or three), and figure out what to do with Adams and Bledsoe.
Posted on 6/14/21 at 6:14 pm to Epic Cajun
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The Pels do need a primary facilitator, and Sexton has developed quite a bit, but I'd need to watch more tape on him to determine if he'd be a fit. I don't think he'd be a fit with BI though, due to defense.
Well:
quote:
"Various Cavs players still grow frustrated by the way Sexton dominates the ball, and opponents taunt them by saying during games, 'you know he’s not going to pass you the ball,'" Joe Vardon of The Athletic reported.
Posted on 6/14/21 at 6:16 pm to hugo_boss
I saw that one a few days ago too and I agree that seemed extremely lopsided in the pels favor. Zo for Lauri and a 2nd would be incredibly fair. And in the proposed deal, we get off Bledsoe, and get back White and Thad Young (great leader and still productive).
That would be an awesome trade for the pels imo.
That would be an awesome trade for the pels imo.
Posted on 6/14/21 at 6:25 pm to MasterAbe1
I’d love Sexton on this team. He’s the exact kind of guy we need. A guy that can create his own offense and hit pull up 3’s. It’s good that he’s a bit of a ballhog and not great defensively. It makes him more attainable in a trade and it’s not like he’s 30, he’s 23. He can and will improve. Sexton, Ingram, Zion, Hayes, and shooters would be lethal offensively.
If Griff doesn’t make calls on Lavine (1st), Sexton (2nd), CJ (last resort), this offseason he honestly is a shite GM. A self creation combo type guard is exactly what this team needs. Once you get your big offensive 3, then you plug the holes with shooters and defensive role players. It’s really not rocket science tbh. We have the ammo to have an excellent offseason and still have at least 1 first rd pick a year left for the next 6-7 years.
Make it happen Griff. Don’t be a fricking pussy. Take a chance. Cleveland fricking sucks. Sexton would love to get out of there and get closer to home and play with Zion and BI instead of fricking Kevin Love amd Cedi Osman.
If Griff doesn’t make calls on Lavine (1st), Sexton (2nd), CJ (last resort), this offseason he honestly is a shite GM. A self creation combo type guard is exactly what this team needs. Once you get your big offensive 3, then you plug the holes with shooters and defensive role players. It’s really not rocket science tbh. We have the ammo to have an excellent offseason and still have at least 1 first rd pick a year left for the next 6-7 years.
Make it happen Griff. Don’t be a fricking pussy. Take a chance. Cleveland fricking sucks. Sexton would love to get out of there and get closer to home and play with Zion and BI instead of fricking Kevin Love amd Cedi Osman.
This post was edited on 6/14/21 at 6:27 pm
Posted on 6/14/21 at 11:50 pm to Epic Cajun
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The Pels do need a primary facilitator, and Sexton has developed quite a bit, but I'd need to watch more tape on him
You really should. Dude is a massive ball hog. I think it was on one of the Simmons and Russillo pods where they said opponents would joke with the other Cavs players about how Sexton would never pass it to them. Also, let us not forget Kevin Love throwing a temper tantrum on the floor because he was sick of Sexton's ball hogging.
This post was edited on 6/14/21 at 11:59 pm
Posted on 6/15/21 at 12:03 am to 3PieceSpicy
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He’s the exact kind of guy we need. A guy that can create his own offense and hit pull up 3’s. It’s good that he’s a bit of a ballhog and not great defensively. It makes him more attainable in a trade
Do you think Sexton is a better offensive player than Zion or B.I.?
The obvious answer is no he is not. Therefore, why would we want a guy that is not a good defender and will keep the ball out of your best players hands.
It is very rare that a team doesn't extend their early lotto picks. Don't you think it is a huge red flag that a shite franchise like Cleveland is trying to get rid of him?
Posted on 6/15/21 at 12:31 am to 504Voodoo
Honestly no. Cleveland doesn’t know what the frick they are doing. If they want to get rid of someone, that’s my sign that it’s probably a great idea to go get them.
Better than Zion, no. Better than Ingram, no. But he’s better than them in a few areas. Ball handling and pull up threes. And Sexton has more tenacity and want than the two of them put together. Remember the 1 on 5 game that he almost won in college. Or the time he singlehandedly one upped Brooklyn’s big 3 by himself?
Frick Kevin Love. Also, the backstory with that hard pass to Sexton was that Love had a guard on him in the post, and their new 80 year old college head coach didn’t recognize that and called a set play from the sideline. So it had nothing to do with Sexton.
I get the sense that no one is really watching the playoffs right now.
Teams with A plus ball handling guards and shooting around them are what win in this league. Hell, even Trae Young that shoots 34% from 3 would be the best offensive player on about 20 of 30 teams right now (including ours). In our case if you put 3 plus self creation guys on one team and you would have a good team regardless of if you have a good defense. We need to be trying to buy low with poverty franchises like the Kings or Cavs. It’s our best option to get a 3rd star for a price that isn’t a premium and a player that would just love to get the hell away from their current situation.
Would you rather trade 6 firsts for 28 year old Beal who doesn’t want to be here and can’t hit a pull up 3 to save his life or trade 2-3 firsts for a 23 year old Collin Sexton that took a massive leap this year?
With the amount of assets we have and the number of players that should be available for trade this offseason, if Griff sits on his picks and doesn’t do anything of note, I’d axe his arse before training camp. The time is now.
Memphis, Knicks, Hawks are all teams that picked high in the Zion draft and they are all light years ahead of us and none of them were gift wrapped a dozen assets via the AD and Jrue trades. If I’m Zion, I’m looking at that and I’m pissed. Reportedly the 2 teams he wanted to go to were Atlanta and New York and they are dusting us right now and it’s because Griff has really done a poor job up to this point in terms of putting the right vets and skillsets around Zion.
Better than Zion, no. Better than Ingram, no. But he’s better than them in a few areas. Ball handling and pull up threes. And Sexton has more tenacity and want than the two of them put together. Remember the 1 on 5 game that he almost won in college. Or the time he singlehandedly one upped Brooklyn’s big 3 by himself?
Frick Kevin Love. Also, the backstory with that hard pass to Sexton was that Love had a guard on him in the post, and their new 80 year old college head coach didn’t recognize that and called a set play from the sideline. So it had nothing to do with Sexton.
I get the sense that no one is really watching the playoffs right now.
Teams with A plus ball handling guards and shooting around them are what win in this league. Hell, even Trae Young that shoots 34% from 3 would be the best offensive player on about 20 of 30 teams right now (including ours). In our case if you put 3 plus self creation guys on one team and you would have a good team regardless of if you have a good defense. We need to be trying to buy low with poverty franchises like the Kings or Cavs. It’s our best option to get a 3rd star for a price that isn’t a premium and a player that would just love to get the hell away from their current situation.
Would you rather trade 6 firsts for 28 year old Beal who doesn’t want to be here and can’t hit a pull up 3 to save his life or trade 2-3 firsts for a 23 year old Collin Sexton that took a massive leap this year?
With the amount of assets we have and the number of players that should be available for trade this offseason, if Griff sits on his picks and doesn’t do anything of note, I’d axe his arse before training camp. The time is now.
Memphis, Knicks, Hawks are all teams that picked high in the Zion draft and they are all light years ahead of us and none of them were gift wrapped a dozen assets via the AD and Jrue trades. If I’m Zion, I’m looking at that and I’m pissed. Reportedly the 2 teams he wanted to go to were Atlanta and New York and they are dusting us right now and it’s because Griff has really done a poor job up to this point in terms of putting the right vets and skillsets around Zion.
Posted on 6/15/21 at 8:07 am to saintsfan22
quote:I've seen that, but his teammates kinda suck so it would be different to play with someone who is actually good
"Various Cavs players still grow frustrated by the way Sexton dominates the ball, and opponents taunt them by saying during games, 'you know he’s not going to pass you the ball,'" Joe Vardon of The Athletic reported.
Posted on 6/15/21 at 8:23 am to 3PieceSpicy
quote:I don't know about this. I think Sexton is probably a better offensive player than Ingram. If you look at their "stats" (shooting percentages, assists, FGA, etc...) they are virtually identical, but Sexton has superior handles, which as you said, is needed in the NBA. They are both volume scorers, but I think Sexton also fits the mold as a primary ball handler, which the team doesn't have.
Better than Ingram, no.
People used to shite on Lavine for the same things that they are down on Sexton for, but it seems like that has faded with his development. Maybe Sexton can develop too
Posted on 6/15/21 at 8:34 am to 3PieceSpicy
"Memphis, Knicks, Hawks are all teams that picked high in the Zion draft and they are all light years ahead of us and none of them were gift wrapped a dozen assets via the AD and Jrue trades. If I’m Zion, I’m looking at that and I’m pissed. Reportedly the 2 teams he wanted to go to were Atlanta and New York and they are dusting us right now and it’s because Griff has really done a poor job up to this point in terms of putting the right vets and skillsets around Zion."
Love the down votes of denial.
Love the down votes of denial.
Posted on 6/15/21 at 8:52 am to 3PieceSpicy
quote:
Honestly no. Cleveland doesn’t know what the frick they are doing.
This may be the case, but I have to think they are watching the playoffs now. Like you said, it's pretty obvious what wins in the playoffs right now and Sexton seems to have that skill set.
Cleveland has no young player on a big money deal right now. It just seems like there has to be something else going on if they don't want to pay a young guy they drafted in the top 10 that is showing enough to get paid.
Maybe the answer is he's an egotistical arse that will end up being #1 on the Cavs and sour the development of other players. Maybe they like Garland better and don't think 2 short guards is a viable foundation.
So there are things that could be red flags to Cleveland that wouldn't be an issue here. It's definitely worth investigating Sexton's cost and fit. I just wouldn't assume there are no red flags because Cleveland looks down and directionless like the Kings and Magic of the last 5 years.
Posted on 6/15/21 at 9:04 am to TigerinATL
quote:I would lean toward this, but obviously I don't know. Maybe they have watched the limitations of Portland with Dame and CJ, and don't think it's viable. Along with the development of Garland, they feel like Sexton is a valuable asset that they can move for pieces that fit better with their team. Could be that, along with some personality stuff.
Maybe they like Garland better and don't think 2 short guards is a viable foundation.
Posted on 6/15/21 at 9:20 am to Epic Cajun
regarding the Lonzo S&T for Markannen...
Markannen's defense is pretty horrible, right?
Markannen's defense is pretty horrible, right?
Posted on 6/15/21 at 9:25 am to jmcwhrter
quote:Very horrible, not a fit, IMO. Unless he'd come on a reasonable deal and be okay with being a bench big. Which, I don't think would be the case.
Markannen's defense is pretty horrible, right?
Posted on 6/15/21 at 9:25 am to jmcwhrter
Yeah, it isn't great. I'd rather see if I could get some capable bench guys and a future pick from Chicago.
Regarding Sexton:
There's a lot to like in terms of what we need...but there's a lot to dislike as well. I'm not sure we need a guy that appears to be that ball dominant (hog). Would he defer to Zion, or is he just that arrogant? I lean towards the latter after everything I've read and seen.
Regarding Sexton:
There's a lot to like in terms of what we need...but there's a lot to dislike as well. I'm not sure we need a guy that appears to be that ball dominant (hog). Would he defer to Zion, or is he just that arrogant? I lean towards the latter after everything I've read and seen.
Posted on 6/15/21 at 9:29 am to Fun Bunch
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appears to be that ball dominant (hog)
how much of his ball-hogging is him knowing he's the best -- if not the only -- scoring option on a tank that's clearly tanking?
Posted on 6/15/21 at 9:30 am to jmcwhrter
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how much of his ball-hogging is him knowing he's the best -- if not the only -- scoring option on a tank that's clearly tanking?
could be a lot of it.
Young guy trying to score a lot and get a max contract.
Posted on 6/15/21 at 9:53 am to TeddyPadillac
Watching some Youtube videos (highlights - defense & hustling) and he does make some great plays. Gets the ball off a rebound and he's 60 mph the other way for a lay-up
BUT... in majority of these videos, the Cavs are already losing by 20 points
BUT... in majority of these videos, the Cavs are already losing by 20 points
Posted on 6/15/21 at 9:57 am to jmcwhrter
Kira played his rookie year at age 19, on a shortened offeason due to covid. Compared to Sexton's age 20 rookie year, Lewis was markedly better in offensive and defensive rating, assits, steals, and most importantly, protecting the basketball
This team needs more Robins. Maybe one more Batman type, but not one who is a ball stopping PG
This team needs more Robins. Maybe one more Batman type, but not one who is a ball stopping PG
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