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re: Offseason player trade rumors thread
Posted on 7/1/21 at 9:42 pm to 3PieceSpicy
Posted on 7/1/21 at 9:42 pm to 3PieceSpicy
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Rozier
I wonder if Rozier would be a possible trade target if we were to S&T Lonzo.
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Posted on 7/1/21 at 10:24 pm to Soggymoss
quote:The guy has a whopping 700 followers. Probably just a fan looking for attention.
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The Dallas Mavericks and Charlotte Hornets have been discussing a Kristaps Porzingis deal per league source
#MFFL #AllFly LINK
Don't know this guy whatsoever
Posted on 7/2/21 at 5:39 am to NOSHAU
The rumors about Porzingis to Charlotte have been around since early June..
Posted on 7/2/21 at 10:13 am to brmark70816
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The Philadelphia 76ers recently turned down a deal with the Pacers that included Malcolm Brogdon and a 1st round pick for Ben Simmons, per @JDumasReports LINK
Posted on 7/2/21 at 10:16 am to Soggymoss
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The Philadelphia 76ers recently turned down a deal with the Pacers that included Malcolm Brogdon and a 1st round pick for Ben Simmons, per @JDumasReports
Wow….he would have fit really with them too
Posted on 7/2/21 at 10:17 am to Soggymoss
So if Ben Simmons’ value is in the shitter, and Brogdon and a 1st isn’t enough to get him then Brogdon for Bledsoe and a 1st should be good value.
Posted on 7/2/21 at 10:26 am to SLafourche07
If I had to guess it was probably Brogdon and a future 1st, 6ers wanted #13 and Pacers said no way.
Posted on 7/2/21 at 10:40 am to Soggymoss
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If I had to guess it was probably Brogdon and a future 1st, 6ers wanted #13 and Pacers said no way.
If Ben would settle at being a post player, he would work well here….can guard all 5 positions and would be very switchable on defense. I think you have to assume at this point, neither Ingram nor Zion will help much on the defensive side of the ball going forward. Lonzo shows flashes of being a good defender, but maybe the schemes last year and roster assignments made him not look as great. Hayes shows very nice promise as a Rim Protecter, and has flashes of a decent outside shot.
Running Hayes and Simmons together could be nasty in rim protection. You would be able to cover up some of the defensive inefficiency of the other players, and that team could run the court like crazy.
Im not saying it’s a good idea to do something like this, because the dude still can’t shoot….but neither can Adams and Simmons is an all nba player. If we are looking at taking gambles on players to elevate the roster, it wouldn’t be the worst decision.
This post was edited on 7/2/21 at 10:42 am
Posted on 7/2/21 at 11:01 am to Soggymoss
quote:Highly doubt that if that was what it took to get a deal done, the Pacers would have said no way.
If I had to guess it was probably Brogdon and a future 1st, 6ers wanted #13 and Pacers said no way.
Posted on 7/2/21 at 11:14 am to NOSHAU
Teams don't value him the way the 6ers value him. Even this, saying they will only trade him for an all star caliber player, that's not really that much. Julius Randle is all star caliber.
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Report: The Sixers have “fielded offers” for Ben Simmons, but “hold a stance” they will only trade him for an “all-star caliber player,” via @JDumasReports LINK
Posted on 7/2/21 at 11:34 am to TechTiger
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Im not saying it’s a good idea to do something like this, because the dude still can’t shoot….but neither can Adams and Simmons is an all nba player. If we are looking at taking gambles on players to elevate the roster, it wouldn’t be the worst decision.
Everything should be done to maximize Zion and present him with the most ideal alignment of players around him. Ben and Zion can't play together.
Posted on 7/2/21 at 11:34 am to Soggymoss
Ah yes, the old, “our guy is unplayable in the playoffs but we want one of your best guys for him” negotiating angle.
Sadly it seems like one team already fell for it so I can’t exactly knock the strategy. And arguably a version of it has essentially been how Morey has ran every team he’s had.
Sadly it seems like one team already fell for it so I can’t exactly knock the strategy. And arguably a version of it has essentially been how Morey has ran every team he’s had.
Posted on 7/2/21 at 11:49 am to 504Voodoo
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Everything should be done to maximize Zion and present him with the most ideal alignment of players around him. Ben and Zion can't play together.
I agree, and I don’t think Simmons will change….he would be a very good fit from a defensive and playmaking standpoint. Ben can get out of Zion’s way in the paint on offense, while we would have multiple players able to run the break when we get defensive rebounds.
Posted on 7/2/21 at 11:55 am to TechTiger
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Ben can get out of Zion’s way in the paint on offense
How does Simmons solve the problem of teams clogging the paint to stop Zion?
Posted on 7/2/21 at 12:05 pm to jmcwhrter
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How does Simmons solve the problem of teams clogging the paint to stop Zion?
Well, as i mentioned weeks ago, if Simmons was the 5 in the half court, and you brought in another legit shooter, like Duncan Robinson to pair with BI and NAW, assuming NAW can be a 38% three point shooter this year, then having Simmons set picks and rim run would provide ample space, and if teams still want to clog the paint, then Zion can just go average 12 assists a night kicking out to wide open 3 point shooters.
A Zion/Simmons pick and roll would be deadly if they were surrounded by shooters, and it really doesn't matter which one of them is handling the ball. Force teams to clog the paint to stop those two. If you have the shooters then this should be easy. Those two would have the potential to be the best pick and roll combo ever, even though both wouldn't take a shot outside the paint. They are both unlike anyone else in the league with their size, strength and athleticism at finishing at the rim through or around contact, and both of them can go up and get any ally oop you throw at them.
Posted on 7/2/21 at 12:06 pm to jmcwhrter
I hate cowherd but caught a little of him on my way too lunch. He’s pushing for a straight up Dame for Davis swap. I dont see how that helps either team, especially Portland.
He’s such a tool.
He’s such a tool.
Posted on 7/2/21 at 12:09 pm to TeddyPadillac
quote:I know you were answering a specific question on the fit but IMO the problem with this is that it's not worth the assets we'd have to give up plus a max salary for Simmons.
if Simmons was the 5 in the half court, and you brought in another legit shooter, like Duncan Robinson to pair with BI and NAW, assuming NAW can be a 38% three point shooter this year, then having Simmons set picks and rim run
Posted on 7/2/21 at 12:16 pm to TeddyPadillac
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A Zion/Simmons pick and roll would be deadly if they were surrounded by shooters, and it really doesn't matter which one of them is handling the ball.
It would be glorious to watch, and the fit would be better than Simmons and Embiid. Lonzo would be the odd man out though, because I’m assuming you would have to pay too much for his services. You could also bring in a better movement shooter that can give you enough defense.
Posted on 7/2/21 at 12:20 pm to shel311
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it's not worth the assets we'd have to give up plus a max salary for Simmons.
I’d rather pay it to Simmons than Lonzo
Posted on 7/2/21 at 12:31 pm to shel311
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I know you were answering a specific question on the fit but IMO the problem with this is that it's not worth the assets we'd have to give up plus a max salary for Simmons.
I would assume it would take 2 firsts to get Simmons, and a good player, maybe a S&T of Lonzo if they really liked him. We don't really have another all-star level player that they are looking for, as i'm not trading BI for Simmons.
The sixers would have to really like Lonzo for this to work.
if we could do Lonzo/Bledsoe and 2 firsts for Simmons, and then send Adams/2 2nds to Washington for Bertans,
We'd have 12 guys on the roster and be right at $110M, enough to resign Hart and give the full MLE out.
We'd still have salary space until Zion gets his max, and we'd also still have plenty of picks left.
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