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re: Offseason Dell Demps Job Watch - Day 28ish - And now my watch is ended
Posted on 4/28/16 at 3:24 pm to NOLA Bronco
Posted on 4/28/16 at 3:24 pm to NOLA Bronco
Regardless of where everyone stands on all these issues, we're having to rebuild going into year 5 of AD and thats a disaster.
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Posted on 4/28/16 at 3:51 pm to 504ByrdGang
I was expecting Tyreke to do well in Gentry's system before the season started because I wrongly assumed that Pace and Space was about playing down hill and kicking to the open man. It sounded perfect for him honestly. But what Gentry wants isn't nearly as simple as that.
Here are some gifs I made from Frazier highlights.
This first one, there's nothing on the P&R and the paint is packed. Tyreke would have thrown up a 1 on 2 contested layup, Frazier waited for an open shot to come along and found it in a cutting Cunningham.
Tyreke would have never made this pass:
I'm not saying Tyreke's a bad passer, but the reason he thinks attack first is because he's always been so good at attacking. If that were Tyreke instead of Frazier, he could have blown by Cousins above, but he'd have had 2 defenders at the rim waiting for him. Instead of a contested layup, Frazier starts a 2 pass sequence that leads to Ryno making an open 3.
Joel's commentary on this play vs. the Nets: "Frazier's got his head up, that's the key."
How many times have we seen Tyreke run a break like that rather than kamikaze it himself?
"I have a good shot, but he's got an even better shot, let me pass this immediately."
You know Tyreke would have tried to drive and make something happen on those plays, and I'm not saying the drives would have been unsuccessful, but moving the ball through one person's dribbling is not what Gentry is after, and attacking the basket with his own dribbling is what Tyreke does best.
I like Tyreke and think it's a shame that he's wasted in Gentry's system, but I have serious doubts that he can do what Gentry wants him to do. It's not a knock on Tyreke, but you don't take your sports car muddin any more than you take your 4x4 racing.
Here are some gifs I made from Frazier highlights.
This first one, there's nothing on the P&R and the paint is packed. Tyreke would have thrown up a 1 on 2 contested layup, Frazier waited for an open shot to come along and found it in a cutting Cunningham.
Tyreke would have never made this pass:
I'm not saying Tyreke's a bad passer, but the reason he thinks attack first is because he's always been so good at attacking. If that were Tyreke instead of Frazier, he could have blown by Cousins above, but he'd have had 2 defenders at the rim waiting for him. Instead of a contested layup, Frazier starts a 2 pass sequence that leads to Ryno making an open 3.
Joel's commentary on this play vs. the Nets: "Frazier's got his head up, that's the key."
How many times have we seen Tyreke run a break like that rather than kamikaze it himself?
"I have a good shot, but he's got an even better shot, let me pass this immediately."
You know Tyreke would have tried to drive and make something happen on those plays, and I'm not saying the drives would have been unsuccessful, but moving the ball through one person's dribbling is not what Gentry is after, and attacking the basket with his own dribbling is what Tyreke does best.
I like Tyreke and think it's a shame that he's wasted in Gentry's system, but I have serious doubts that he can do what Gentry wants him to do. It's not a knock on Tyreke, but you don't take your sports car muddin any more than you take your 4x4 racing.
Posted on 4/28/16 at 4:39 pm to TigerinATL
It's not even necessarily a referendum on Gentry's system. It's not a waste, he puts up numbers. But it's not a great fit either. Which gets to something more basic about Evans/Holiday. You can give either guy the keys to your offense; great. Where exactly is that taking you? A 6-8 seed? Congrats, you have Anthony Davis and peaked as first round team. They will put up numbers because they are good players; do they actually make the team more than the sum of its parts? I havent seen much evidence of that in 3 years.
This also gets to the fundamental problem people had with the Evans/Holiday combined trades. Both guys have skills. Unfortunately, those skills overlap a good bit on offense. It can work, as we've seen some. But 3 years in, we've seen much more of each guy flourishing with the other out. I don't think that is a coincidence.
There is only one ball. I find it hard to believe that Demps didn't envision Gordon, Holiday, Evans all moving the ball around the perimeter and attacking off swing passes- which is not what Monty did and is something Gentry wants. The issue, again, is that these guys aren't accustomed to playing that way. That's a misfire by Demps on putting these guys together and then on hiring Gentry to put round pegs in square holes.
This also gets to the fundamental problem people had with the Evans/Holiday combined trades. Both guys have skills. Unfortunately, those skills overlap a good bit on offense. It can work, as we've seen some. But 3 years in, we've seen much more of each guy flourishing with the other out. I don't think that is a coincidence.
There is only one ball. I find it hard to believe that Demps didn't envision Gordon, Holiday, Evans all moving the ball around the perimeter and attacking off swing passes- which is not what Monty did and is something Gentry wants. The issue, again, is that these guys aren't accustomed to playing that way. That's a misfire by Demps on putting these guys together and then on hiring Gentry to put round pegs in square holes.
Posted on 4/28/16 at 4:54 pm to corndeaux
After this weekend we find out if we have fired Demps 
Posted on 4/28/16 at 5:04 pm to oncealurker
I don't think that's true.
Monday May 11, 2015 the Saints finished signing their top rookies.
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Monday May 12, 2015 the Pelicans fire Monty Williams.
LINK
That was the 2nd Monday and Tuesday after the draft last year, which would put the target date this year at May 9th for NFL rookie signings and May 10th for any changes with the Pels. Unless anyone that follows the NFL more closely has another date for the rookie deals to be done.
Monday May 11, 2015 the Saints finished signing their top rookies.
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New Orleans Saints Executive Vice President/General Manager Mickey Loomis announced Monday that the club has agreed to terms with LB Hau’oli Kikaha and QB Garrett Grayson on four-year contracts and has signed LB Davis Tull, DL Tyeler Davison, CB Damian Swann and RB/RS Marcus Murphy to four-year deals.
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Monday May 12, 2015 the Pelicans fire Monty Williams.
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"Monty did a great job. He's done some really good things for us, but going forward we just felt like we needed something different to get to the next level," Pelicans executive vice president Mickey Loomis said.
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That was the 2nd Monday and Tuesday after the draft last year, which would put the target date this year at May 9th for NFL rookie signings and May 10th for any changes with the Pels. Unless anyone that follows the NFL more closely has another date for the rookie deals to be done.
Posted on 4/28/16 at 6:04 pm to TigerinATL
You've done more Pelicans work than Loomis
Posted on 4/29/16 at 12:16 am to TigerinATL
You're on a roll tonight Tiger. Good work!
Posted on 4/29/16 at 7:59 am to NOLA Bronco
It's not black and white with Tyreke though. The example gifs are Gentry ball under ideal circumstances, going against lazy defense by bad teams. In the playoffs most of those opportunities get taken away and you need a battering ram like Tyreke who can score against a double team. I just don't know how you reconcile what Tyreke does with how Gentry wants to play even in a bench role.
Thinking about this has lead me to a kind of depressing conclusion. As much as we've supposedly aimed for the Spurs and now Warriors, we're the Hawks. If we dump Tyreke and turn his cap space into Frazier and Bazemore, we've transitioned from the old ISO heavy Hawks to the new Budinger Hawks with AD instead of Horford as our center that would prefer to play his more "natural" position of PF. The old and new Hawks aren't bad teams, they just were never anywhere close to contenders. We really need to win the Lottery
Thinking about this has lead me to a kind of depressing conclusion. As much as we've supposedly aimed for the Spurs and now Warriors, we're the Hawks. If we dump Tyreke and turn his cap space into Frazier and Bazemore, we've transitioned from the old ISO heavy Hawks to the new Budinger Hawks with AD instead of Horford as our center that would prefer to play his more "natural" position of PF. The old and new Hawks aren't bad teams, they just were never anywhere close to contenders. We really need to win the Lottery
Posted on 4/29/16 at 9:19 am to TigerinATL
Good work here. I think Tyreke's skillset could work just fine coming off the bench and getting his a la Crawford for LAC (in a Gentry-designed O), but the question is not with his skills, it's with his head. Is he willing to play that role? Is he okay with sacrificing minutes and spotlight for a better chance of winning? I don't think we can definitely say one way or another, especially considering his injuries this year (though his numbers when he played this year were arguably better than last season in a 25 game sample). We do know that the team and he only truly flourished under a slowed-down system in which he was allowed to dominate the ball, and even then many of us were frustrated with his decision-making.
I think most people on here would agree the long term answer for this team is not simply handing the keys to Tyreke, so they need to determine if he can fit in a different role or start seriously gauging opportunities to trade him. Personally, I like when guys with unique skillsets are able to adapt and succeed playing a role and hope that Tyreke can do so here. His talent is undeniable, but the team needs to figure out what to do at both guard spots sooner rather than later.
I think most people on here would agree the long term answer for this team is not simply handing the keys to Tyreke, so they need to determine if he can fit in a different role or start seriously gauging opportunities to trade him. Personally, I like when guys with unique skillsets are able to adapt and succeed playing a role and hope that Tyreke can do so here. His talent is undeniable, but the team needs to figure out what to do at both guard spots sooner rather than later.
Posted on 5/1/16 at 9:17 am to Fun Bunch
Draft is over. Does Mickey pretend to give a frick now?
Posted on 5/1/16 at 10:45 am to Fun Bunch
Not until May 9th/10th
Posted on 5/2/16 at 4:02 pm to Fun Bunch
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Draft is over. Does Mickey pretend to give a frick now?
NFL Rookie camp coming up next week. Facility will be busy still
Posted on 5/3/16 at 8:14 am to tzimme4
Still no news huh?.... They are really ramping up the fan excitement and team interest over there. 
Posted on 5/3/16 at 2:53 pm to tigerbait44
Loomis just extended Terron Armstead.
I guess we need to extend Brees, Unger, sign all of the rookies, have minicamp...
And then Mickey can remember that he also runs a basketball team.
I guess we need to extend Brees, Unger, sign all of the rookies, have minicamp...
And then Mickey can remember that he also runs a basketball team.
Posted on 5/3/16 at 4:10 pm to TigerinATL
Ok I think this thread can die now.
Posted on 5/3/16 at 4:11 pm to Macintosh
Why? We only have a week to go.
Posted on 5/3/16 at 4:22 pm to Macintosh
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Ok I think this thread can die now.
Posted on 5/3/16 at 4:43 pm to Fun Bunch
i think the thread can die once the front office actually acknowledges they have a basketball team still and do not leave the status of the GM out in limbo
Posted on 5/3/16 at 10:53 pm to tigerbait44
The draft is in 57 days. The Pels aren't making a move like that on short notice.
It's much easier to replace a head coach in the NBA than it is a NBA GM. Just look how long Billy King ran the Nets organization until he was shown the door. LINK
It's much easier to replace a head coach in the NBA than it is a NBA GM. Just look how long Billy King ran the Nets organization until he was shown the door. LINK
This post was edited on 5/4/16 at 8:47 am
Posted on 5/4/16 at 7:29 am to tzimme4
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The draft is in 57 days. The Pels aren't making a move like that on short notice.
Thank you, Kreskin.
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