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re: Offseason Dell Demps Job Watch - Day 28ish - And now my watch is ended

Posted on 5/6/16 at 10:00 pm to
Posted by tzimme4
Metairie
Member since Jan 2008
33333 posts
Posted on 5/6/16 at 10:00 pm to
quote:

frick it's happening isn't it

Nope

quote:

Dumars

The Jon Gruden of the NBA. Name comes up every year but nothing will ever happen.
This post was edited on 5/6/16 at 10:03 pm
Posted by Jizzamo311
Member since Dec 2008
6504 posts
Posted on 5/6/16 at 10:26 pm to
Is it happening like Saints drafting Reed?
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
130337 posts
Posted on 5/7/16 at 12:01 am to
quote:

5h5 hours ago
The Bird Writes ?@thebirdwrites
If a Benson owned horse wins the Derby tomorrow...

Do the Pelicans wait until after Preakness?




quote:

Nope


Unlike you, RH has been dead on with extremely specific info in the past. He knows things in actuality. You absolutely don't as you've proven repeatedly.
Posted by corndeaux
Member since Sep 2009
9634 posts
Posted on 5/7/16 at 7:28 am to
This is spot on. It all starts at the top. The Pels, as an organization, are basically Kings South at this point. These rumors only further the idea that Benson/Loomis have no clue what the hell they are doing.

btw- How did your post get downvotes? Is it the Demps stuff? I have doubts, but Danny Ferry was pretty meh in Cleveland before getting autonomy/support in ATL.
Posted by tgr4ever
Gwinnett, baw
Member since Jul 2011
16214 posts
Posted on 5/7/16 at 9:33 am to
What are you guys talking about? This dude is like 20% right. Remember the Gerald Green trade he was so sure was going to happen?
Posted by 504ByrdGang
Member since Nov 2013
2522 posts
Posted on 5/7/16 at 9:35 am to
He knew about the Bucks trade

He knew about Ryan injury

He knew about the Rivers trade

And you know jack shite
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
62446 posts
Posted on 5/7/16 at 9:39 am to
Isn't the speculation based on what he's revealed in the past that he is a family member or friend of a family member of someone in the FO? Like someone's kid or friend of someone's kid? ie his information source is part of the Demps FO if not someone who overhears Demps himself. If he's saying this I think some people got notice that they needed to start looking for jobs.
Posted by NOFOX
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2014
10128 posts
Posted on 5/7/16 at 12:07 pm to
Oh dear lord yes. Please someone get ready to bump the thread with MM acting like a fool. When I spoke to Lauscha, he really did say that everyone will be evaluated and no decisions had been made. Anyone that was/is relying on Demps or his staff for accurate inside information about his own job security is naive.
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
130337 posts
Posted on 5/7/16 at 12:14 pm to
He's been dead right with extremely specific info before, unlike very vague hints.

He's also been wrong. The things he's been wrong about are generally trades which can change.

Take anything with a grain of salt. He could be wrong. But he's been right before.
Posted by supe12sta12z
Tiger Town
Member since Apr 2012
13311 posts
Posted on 5/7/16 at 3:37 pm to
I guess we'll find out soon enough. Regardless of the path we took within the past 5 years, we need to go in a different direction.

With a guy like AD, you shouldn't need to rebuild. If a new GM can put a complimentary team together, we'll be in much better shape.

I'm a firm believer that you can build a competitive team without relying heavily on the draft as long as the team has a complimentary roster. I still believe this. Unfortunately, Demps didn't do a good job of putting together players who can peak together.

Posted by LosLobos111
Austere
Member since Feb 2011
45385 posts
Posted on 5/7/16 at 6:06 pm to
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. The Pels, as an organization, are basically Kings South at this point.


Do the pels have(had):

A psycho man child "superstar"

A solid coach malone who was fired a quarter through the season due to a crazy owner not liking him

Hired another coach that fanned flames from day one and a very public and embarassing battle between at least 3 parties

And more

Things aren't great right now and its time for a change but its not near kings level yet

Kick ML aside and get a real POBO

The rest will sort itself





Posted by VOR
New Orleans
Member since Apr 2009
68838 posts
Posted on 5/7/16 at 7:11 pm to
frick . . . everything.
Posted by corndeaux
Member since Sep 2009
9634 posts
Posted on 5/7/16 at 8:21 pm to
I get that your thing is optimism. Your post is delusional.

Have the Kings ignored medical advice for a player coming off a season ending injury, likely because of a playoffs mandate from ownership?

Or allowed a player to skip medical checkups, likely because of that same mandate?

Then fired a coach after meeting said mandate and after having the owner put out a statement praising his work?

Or leave the future leadership of the team (2 months before the draft and, likely, the most insane FA ever) twisting in the wind because they are too busy with the draft of another franchise and then a horse race?

In no way would I want to be a Kings fan over the last decade. The Maloofs make Shinn look like Mark Cuban. But since Vivek took over, he and Benson are in the same ballpark
Posted by VOR
New Orleans
Member since Apr 2009
68838 posts
Posted on 5/7/16 at 10:03 pm to
Damn, corndeaux.
Posted by tunechi
Member since Jun 2009
10577 posts
Posted on 5/7/16 at 11:13 pm to
quote:

tzimme4


you're such a joke on this site
Posted by LosLobos111
Austere
Member since Feb 2011
45385 posts
Posted on 5/8/16 at 9:56 am to
I wholeheartedly agree the medical BS needs a overhaul big time and that starts up top. I'd be surprised if there wasn't some shakeup based on recent things that have come to light.

They evaluated and fired Monty after the season like any org should do. That mandate seemed flimsy to me fwiw.

I'd rather them actually have patience for once and evaluate dell/gentry etc than go into searching for another solution half cocked. The saints horse racing shite seems like an excuse to me by impatient minds.

This is a big big deal at a critical time

P.S: You(whom I wholeheartedly respect) and others can call me a pumper or whatever but it seems to me many have fallen off the wagon a bit recently and this board has become nothing but a circle jerk with regurgitated posts about how bad they think shite is.

I hope and pray they make the right choices after taking the time to make them.

That's all I really want



Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
130337 posts
Posted on 5/8/16 at 10:05 am to
I went over to PR for the first time in awhile and the amount if people white knighting for Dell is amazing. Wow.
Posted by Mr.Perfect
Louisiana
Member since Mar 2013
17612 posts
Posted on 5/8/16 at 12:05 pm to
quote:

'd rather them actually have patience for once and evaluate dell/gentry etc


Dell is a waste. Should have been fired years ago.

He OWS our medical staff Rolex watches for even having a job
Posted by NOLA Bronco
Member since Dec 2014
1898 posts
Posted on 5/8/16 at 2:15 pm to
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I went over to PR for the first time in awhile and the amount if people white knighting for Dell is amazing. Wow.




It's been that way for a while over there. Lots of homerism and irrational defense forcing. Before my second ban because a BSS mod doesn't understand the difference between personal attacks and calling out forum behavior, the common argument was Demps is a Spurs disciple so he is automatically GOAT and superficial shite like I like Jrue yada yada.

Its an empty argument though. Sure, some of his strategies can be seen to be molded from that experience in SA. Others, not so much and many are misunderstandings of the Spurs philosophy. If Demps was a pure disciple that truly "got it" he wouldn't of done a lot of the things he did. For example, traded for Tyreke Evans or Omer Asik. Neither fit what Pop or Buford would consider "high character, selfless, players that have gotten over themselves." Ignored the draft or shown more affinity for Dumars Pistons model of building. Blindly thrown huge capital at players he hadn't been able to interview and determine if they fit character wise(something Pop and Buford claim is critical in making big decisions on personnel). He was a part of the Spurs organization, that doesn't automatically make him anything more then a successful functionary. He also wouldn't have been so antagonistic toward his coaches(even Gentry this season) and taken on a persona of the king, trying to consolidate power. The Spurs are the original participatory organization and they pride themselves on that. Demps is literally striving for an opposite set-up where he is king.

Also something that is not acknowledged is context. Demps came aboard an already well-oiled machine. Demps didn't experience how the Spurs became the Spurs, he was just dropped into an already defined role in an already defined organization and culture. That is much different then say, Travis Schlenk. Who saw and was a pivotal part of an organization transitioning from a flawed, disjointed, undisciplined organization that lacked cohesion, focus and was behind the curve on things like analytics and medicine and transitioned into the other most prominent well-oiled, high functioning organization in the game.


This post was edited on 5/8/16 at 2:31 pm
Posted by corndeaux
Member since Sep 2009
9634 posts
Posted on 5/8/16 at 2:45 pm to
Hey, man, I didn't mean to come on as strong about your post as it looks. Nothing wrong with being optimistic and looking for positives, especially in bad situations. Way too easy (and just plain miserable) to shite on all things, all the time.

I'm just really down on the organization itself. I think the players try, the coaches try, even the training staff tries. There's just no one at the top setting the tone and making sure everyone is pulling in the same direction. shite sucks right now, but there's still hope they can turn it around.

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I'd rather them actually have patience for once and evaluate dell/gentry etc than go into searching for another solution half cocked.


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This is a big big deal at a critical time


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I hope and pray they make the right choices after taking the time to make them.


I agree. If you want to fire Demps, then do it because you think he's failed in what you asked him to do and you are confident you can find a replacement to help you accomplish those goals. Not just b/c fans are pissed or the media is calling for his head.
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