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Posted on 7/9/17 at 1:59 pm to eyeran
there was no path to free agent shooters...none.
TOR just dumped two bad contracts and a 1st/2nd for an upgrade (miles) and got under the tax. if asik and or ajinca were even remotely tradeable they'd have done similar
there's nothing here to trade folks
best to accept that and see if they get lucky with veteran minimums
TOR just dumped two bad contracts and a 1st/2nd for an upgrade (miles) and got under the tax. if asik and or ajinca were even remotely tradeable they'd have done similar
there's nothing here to trade folks
best to accept that and see if they get lucky with veteran minimums
Posted on 7/9/17 at 2:01 pm to THRILLHO
quote:Problem is, that means we're playing at least into January with 3 real NBA starters on the roster. By that point we're the under performing team.
That's what he's doing. It's why I'm not freaking out about the lack of additions this offseason. Keep flexibility, wait for an under-performing team (Denver, Portland) or over-performing team (a few in the East that wants to tank but may flirt with an 8 seed, say Orlando) that doesn't like their situation come January, then make a move.
Posted on 7/9/17 at 2:07 pm to TigerinATL
The guy I'm shocked they haven't been linked to yet is Michael Beasley. Seems like he could solve a lot of their bench problems. i.e. how in the hell is that lot going to score the basketball.
I mean, if they were considering Nick Young, why not just get Beasley for half the price. Basically the same player. (Beasley is a little worse 3pt shooter but actually has good efficiency the past couple of years -
shot 53% from the field last year.)
A bench of Lawson/Crawford/Miller/Beasly/Asik could at least score the basketball. Defense would be washed but they would at least be good at playing Gentry ball.
I mean Beasley's nick name is B-EASY for crying out lout. How is he not playing in the Big Easy?
I mean, if they were considering Nick Young, why not just get Beasley for half the price. Basically the same player. (Beasley is a little worse 3pt shooter but actually has good efficiency the past couple of years -
shot 53% from the field last year.)
A bench of Lawson/Crawford/Miller/Beasly/Asik could at least score the basketball. Defense would be washed but they would at least be good at playing Gentry ball.
I mean Beasley's nick name is B-EASY for crying out lout. How is he not playing in the Big Easy?
This post was edited on 7/9/17 at 2:13 pm
Posted on 7/9/17 at 2:13 pm to cgrand
quote:Thing is, this offseason, it was the team that set those expectations. Not the fans.
there was no path to free agent shooters...none.
TOR just dumped two bad contracts and a 1st/2nd for an upgrade (miles) and got under the tax. if asik and or ajinca were even remotely tradeable they'd have done similar
there's nothing here to trade folks
best to accept that and see if they get lucky with veteran minimums
Almost as soon as the season ended, the organization came out very strongly saying they were going to add shooting and another starter caliber PG/combo guard to play next to Jrue and share some of the ball handling duties.
So if/when we're going into the next season with Ty Lawson, Darius Miller and "continuity" as our big offseason acquisitions people will have every right to be pissed off. So will Boogie and Davis.
Posted on 7/9/17 at 2:14 pm to eyeran
Well fellas, I are depressed.
Seems like our only hope is for Frank Jackson to turn out to be Monta Ellis.
Seems like our only hope is for Frank Jackson to turn out to be Monta Ellis.
Posted on 7/9/17 at 2:17 pm to TigerinATL
quote:Why is that? Desperation? He missed most of the season last year and was not great the year before. I have to think the Nets would laugh all the way to the draft if we gave them a 1st for him without at least dumping an unfavorable contract.
There's a reason Lin for a 1st has become appealing.
Posted on 7/9/17 at 2:21 pm to eyeran
I'd be shocked if its lack of effort by the team
there was always a chance (and still is) they they swing and miss on all trade proposals.
that's the corner that dead weight contracts and roster spots have pushed the team into
what I don't want to see is a desperation move where we burn our last asset this year for the sake of a move, any move. if this is the team, maybe it's best to let demps die on this hill
there was always a chance (and still is) they they swing and miss on all trade proposals.
that's the corner that dead weight contracts and roster spots have pushed the team into
what I don't want to see is a desperation move where we burn our last asset this year for the sake of a move, any move. if this is the team, maybe it's best to let demps die on this hill
Posted on 7/9/17 at 2:38 pm to cgrand
quote:That might be the spot we're in. I've probably defended Demps more than most, but there would be no excuse for this failure of an offseason if we're basically running it back next year.
I'd be shocked if its lack of effort by the team
there was always a chance (and still is) they they swing and miss on all trade proposals.
that's the corner that dead weight contracts and roster spots have pushed the team into
what I don't want to see is a desperation move where we burn our last asset this year for the sake of a move, any move. if this is the team, maybe it's best to let demps die on this hill
He gets no credit for "almosts" or deals falling through, when he essentially made public what his offseason goals were.
Posted on 7/9/17 at 2:40 pm to cgrand
SO basically we are fricked bc Dell has gotten us in debt with terrible contracts, but he still has a job.....
I mean havin AD/DC is outstanding, but surrounding them with a bunch of 2nd stringers and DLeaguers, with the exception of Jrue, is only delaying the inevitable......
I mean havin AD/DC is outstanding, but surrounding them with a bunch of 2nd stringers and DLeaguers, with the exception of Jrue, is only delaying the inevitable......
Posted on 7/9/17 at 2:45 pm to eyeran
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there would be no excuse for this failure of an offseason if we're basically running it back next year.
In which case you're better off stretching Asik and dumping Ajinca/QPon to extend Cousins. Now Plan A has become hope fringe NBA players can step up and Plan B is probably Cal.
Posted on 7/9/17 at 2:55 pm to TigerinATL
Fire Dell Demps 2017-2018 season long thread will be up soon
Posted on 7/9/17 at 3:05 pm to Jizzamo311
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I mean havin AD/DC is outstanding, but surrounding them with a bunch of 2nd stringers and DLeaguers, with the exception of Jrue, is only delaying the inevitable......
The only really bad contract is Asik. Ajinca, Moore, and Hill are on role player contracts. Also it has to be considered the Pels are a small market team that has to overpay for free agents until they can make them self a destination due to winning.
Pondexter's contract sucks only because he is injured. It looked great when he was healthy and playing.
Posted on 7/9/17 at 3:12 pm to Colonel Flagg
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Shams Charania? @ShamsCharania
Free agent center Aron Baynes has reached agreement on a one-year, $4.3M deal with the Boston Celtics, league sources tell The Vertical.
Posted on 7/9/17 at 3:46 pm to Colonel Flagg
ajinca is 5MM of unplayable and untradeable
Moore is 8MM backup talent
hill is 12MM backup talent
hard to maneuver when those guys are your assets
Moore is 8MM backup talent
hill is 12MM backup talent
hard to maneuver when those guys are your assets
Posted on 7/9/17 at 3:49 pm to Colonel Flagg
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The only really bad contract is Asik. Ajinca, Moore, and Hill are on role player contracts. Also it has to be considered the Pels are a small market team that has to overpay for free agents until they can make them self a destination due to winning.
Pondexter's contract sucks only because he is injured. It looked great when he was healthy and playing.
its not the overpaying that is an issue, we ALL know that. its the overpaying/bidding vs ourselves when we don't have to and talent evaluation.
How many assets have we given up in Demps tenure here for young vets only to let them under perform, let expire, or just simply become untradeable
Posted on 7/9/17 at 5:25 pm to TigerinATL
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No, what's depressing is that appears to be the plan. I'm not sure what to think of MM's recent info at this point, but I can definitely see Gentry and Demps disagreeing about Nick Young vs. Darius Miller.
Nick Young seemed to be a lock. Instead he takes a backup role on the Warriors for $5.2 mill. I know it's closer to $10 million if we pull the trigger on NY but man we could of used him.
Posted on 7/9/17 at 5:33 pm to Rakim
We pulled his offer......allegedly
Posted on 7/9/17 at 5:40 pm to Jizzamo311
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We pulled his offer......allegedly
Zach Lowe said the Warriors even thought he was going to the Pels. So what would have made us pull the offer? Did Darius Miller call Demps and he decided Miller > Swaggy? I suppose that's possible but it seems like we'd have used the MLE on someone else by now. I think he must have had a deal lined up to send out salary that fell apart. With the likely targets I wonder if he had Asik for Lin lined up and then Toronto screwed us by offering more to dump Carroll.
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