re: Official 2018 Pelicans Offseason Thread

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Imagine where the Pels would be if they hadn't turned Asik into Mirotic? They'd not only be desperate to keep Boogie so he'd have leverage, but they'd probably be desperate to add a useful big just to cover the first few months. For those tired of trading draft picks, if there's a way you can do what you did with Asik in a trade with Hill, you have to give up another pick

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The Niko trade was one of, if not the, best move Dell has ever made. Considering the prevailing wisdom was it would take a 1st just to move Asik, the fact that you also got a guy back who fits as well as Niko does is insane. Hopefully it's a sign of things to come from Dell/Ferry.

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The Niko trade was one of, if not the, best move Dell has ever made. Considering the prevailing wisdom was it would take a 1st just to move Asik, the fact that you also got a guy back who fits as well as Niko does is insane. Hopefully it's a sign of things to come from Dell/Ferry.

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We just need some more teammates to start attacking other players on their teams.

Exactly. The Pels would not be "losing him for nothing"

That is short term thinking and what got Dell into so many messes in the first place.

They would be opening up a massive world of possibilities moving forward that they would not have with Cousins on the books. Right way? This summer? No

But the extensions have given Dell and Gentry the flexibility to think beyond NOW. If he takes the offer, cool. If not, you still have the team that swept a team in the first round plus flexibility moving forward.

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You'd rather him say, "We're going to do everything possible to bring him back"?

What he said, basically backs up what MM said earlier in this thread. Boogie has his two offers on the table, he's not getting more than that from the Pels. If he's not happy with that, see ya later. I don't want the team to be stuck with another Asik situation, where they bid against themselves and get stuck with an awful contract.

Also, if he's walking, there's only really two places that he can go without the Pels getting something in return for him. And, those two options aren't looking very promising for him.

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There's a way to not say anything rather than risk pissing him or his agent off. There is no obligation to give the media something to pick apart. I think letting him walk is letting him go for nothing. I would rather see us trade him for picks and an expiring than just let him walk. I would hate to think that we gave up 2 #1s for just a handful of games.

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But you are not seeing the other side clearly. Understand sunk cost. Understand opportunity costs.

Who cares what you gave up? Thats in the past.

And of course I'd rather get picks and/or a trade exception than get nothing. But maybe those aren't your options. Maybe the options are only sign him or let him walk. His is an UNRESTRICTED free agent. Its not your call.

And trust me, they are not concerned with angering his agent. They don't think he understands the reality of his situation yet. But he is about to find out...

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I understand sunk costs and I get it. However, he is a valuable asset that I would not be excited to lose for nothing. I realize that overpaying him on a long term deal could be much worse.

An asset is as valuable as the market says it is. You will see.... he isn't that valuable.

Again, nobody WANTS to lose him for nothing. But if he says, "I am going to team X unless you pay me Y" and Y is a vast overpay, then you don't pay Y. And if he walks and the other team doesn't want to help you by making it a sign and trade, then what are your options?

And again, you never lose a player for "nothing"

You just might not see what you got for him for a while. Specifically, in this case, you would know what you got for him 12 months later, when you land whoever you land based on the space he opened up for you.

This is what correct, long term thinking looks like. I know its hard to wrap our brains around, because this organization hasn't done it for a while. But the Pels are doing EXACTLY what a smart team looking big picture would do right now

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@thebirdwrites Bill Simmons suggests NOP/ATL have been discussing Hill + Ajinca = Kent Bazemore. (Has 1 + 1 PO remaining, $37.2 million). Yay or nay?

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Tweet from TBW.

Interesting scenario. Bazemore could be good on the wing. Pels would be giving up 5 mil on the 19-20 cap sheet, but have an actual decent player at the 3.

Better without him and add nobody else? Of course not.

But you have this summer and next to put a team next to AD that makes him excited to opt in/re-sign.

The team without Boogie last year got to the second round. Really got hot once they all knew their roles. Imagine you take that same team and give them a whole training camp and they win 50 games + get to the second round again. That following summer you give a pick for someone to take Solo's last year. Then, you go sign a Jimmy Butler or PG13 or Kemba or you trade Hill for Wiggins, taking him into space and giving Minny tax relief

I can go on and on. Point is, it is not Boogie vs nothing. Its Boogie vs the flexibility

I am fine if he signs for 1 or 2 years, at 22-26 million per year. But I wouldn't give him any more than two years. If I have to go higher than that or he only takes two years at max money, I first try to sign and trade, but if that can't happen, I say goodbye and don't fret at all

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I can go on and on. Point is, it is not Boogie vs nothing. Its Boogie vs the flexibility

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i prefer the flexibility, especially with the idea of keeping Mirotic for the future.
Rondo/Jrue/Niko/AD is a nice lineup. it's just missing that one guy, and that guy is somewhat attainable in the next 2 years. adding Cousins to that lineup, we still lack that one guy, and it would be difficult to get him with Cousins on the roster.