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re: New ESPN Mock Draft
Posted on 6/7/16 at 12:44 pm to corndeaux
Posted on 6/7/16 at 12:44 pm to corndeaux
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Maybe he comes off the bench to start and realizes he can't do it all by himself?
I'm afraid coming off the bench will allow him to dominate the ball even more than he already does. Frankly, he needs to stay on the bench. That's the only role he's suited for on a legit team, especially one that focuses on ball movement.
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Posted on 6/7/16 at 12:53 pm to Jester
Yeah. I tend to agree; he's going to 27 and 7 years in the league. Leopards don't change spots. I will remain optimistic, but I'm not holding my breath
Posted on 6/7/16 at 2:14 pm to corndeaux
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he's going to 27 and 7 years in the league. Leopards don't change spots
sometimes they can.
The problem with Reke is people want him to play the 2 or 3, when he's a 1. Plain and simple. When he's playing the point, and he's trying to get everyone involved, and getting 10 assists a game, while still driving to the goal aggressively, he's a good player and can be very serviceable, which is what he was at the end of last year when Jrue was out. He averaged 16/8 after Jrue went down. Only 4 point guards had a better line than that last year: CP3, Curry, Westbrook, Wall. When you add the 5rpg to the stat line, only Westbrook was better.
I'm not trying to say that Reke is a all-star PG or anything, or that he's one of the best in the league at the position, but on the right team with the right coach, he can perform like a top 10 PG in the league easily. He's not a shooting guard, he's not a small forward, and he's not a come off the bench scorer. He's a point guard.
He needs space to be effective at driving to the rim, so having EG, Ryno and QPon being very effective from 3 last year made him a better scorer, and you could tell he was always looking to pass, which is something he never did much of before Jrue went down b/c that's not what he was asked to do, despite still having decent assists numbers.
Posted on 6/7/16 at 3:01 pm to corndeaux
Here's one for the group. Put your bias aside
Tyreke Evans
Josh Smith
Lance Stephenson
All were coveted, up and coming, do it all type players at one point. Smith and Stephenson made their money and became exposed as losing players
Once Evans runs up, can anyone realistically think he will be covered by anyone other than some crappy team, possibly?
Tyreke Evans
Josh Smith
Lance Stephenson
All were coveted, up and coming, do it all type players at one point. Smith and Stephenson made their money and became exposed as losing players
Once Evans runs up, can anyone realistically think he will be covered by anyone other than some crappy team, possibly?
Posted on 6/7/16 at 4:29 pm to GynoSandberg
All of those guys have/had talent, though Stephenson seemed to lose it in one summer. (I do wonder what peak Smith- age 23-26ish- looks like in pace/space era. He has shades of beta version Draymond) They just weren't willing to understand their own limits and places in the league.
Barring injury, he puts up numbers, so someone will take a chance on Evans again- Monta Ellis keeps getting contracts. But he doesn't seem to want to compromise the way he plays and he isn't good enough to lift a team playing his way.
Barring injury, he puts up numbers, so someone will take a chance on Evans again- Monta Ellis keeps getting contracts. But he doesn't seem to want to compromise the way he plays and he isn't good enough to lift a team playing his way.
Posted on 6/7/16 at 4:40 pm to corndeaux
This thread is full of idiots
Posted on 6/8/16 at 7:04 pm to Hester Carries
That's deep bro.
Posted on 6/10/16 at 2:19 pm to corndeaux
if the suns dont take him im betting bender will be there at 6...
what to do
what to do
Posted on 6/11/16 at 2:40 pm to cgrand
I think I may see why we could be interested in him. TBW has a profile on him and while there isn't a ton of info for them to work with, he really stood out when he was younger as a passing big:
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LINK
If you're interested in Bender there's more at the link. Oleh did a good job pulling together information on him.
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Since 1996, there has never been another front court player who remotely approached Bender's 6.7 AST/40 mark. High assist percentages bode well for NBA big's -- have a glance at all the names that populate this list of bigs at Basketball-Reference.com by descending Assist % since the turn of the century.
At the start of last season, Alvin Gentry put the ball in Anthony Davis hands and asked him to be responsible for directing the offense. Things did not go well. Besides the lower shooting efficiency, Davis' AST% slipped. I've been on the bandwagon for awhile now, but I'd prefer to see more of his possessions start closer to the rim.
If the coaching staff decides Davis should be spending most of his time at center, Bender would slot incredibly well alongside the still hopeful MVP candidate. Bender''s abilities seem more conducive to play further out on the perimeter, from both a shooting and passing perspective, while Davis could get back to his ways of drawing swarms of opponents to the paint. Shooters would find more space along the perimeter and AD could get back to one of his strengths, offensive rebounding.
LINK
If you're interested in Bender there's more at the link. Oleh did a good job pulling together information on him.
Posted on 6/11/16 at 2:56 pm to TigerinATL
The perimeter skills he has on offense are tantalizing.
The other side of the ball is what is most curious to me. Will he, in time, be able to defend 5s? Will he move his feet quick enough, for a 7 footer, in PnR to not be a complete liability? If you believe he can do those 2 things, then he's awfully hard to pass up.
The Davis as a facilitator is an interesting debate, but it seems like it's been the plan for a while. The Lowe piece from his 2nd year (I think) mentioned the team seeing him as a Dirk-type of creator from the elbow, in time.
The other side of the ball is what is most curious to me. Will he, in time, be able to defend 5s? Will he move his feet quick enough, for a 7 footer, in PnR to not be a complete liability? If you believe he can do those 2 things, then he's awfully hard to pass up.
The Davis as a facilitator is an interesting debate, but it seems like it's been the plan for a while. The Lowe piece from his 2nd year (I think) mentioned the team seeing him as a Dirk-type of creator from the elbow, in time.
This post was edited on 6/11/16 at 2:57 pm
Posted on 6/11/16 at 11:14 pm to TigerinATL
Aren't they basing those projected 40 minute stats on very limited data?
Posted on 6/13/16 at 12:11 pm to NOSHAU
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Aren't they basing those projected 40 minute stats on very limited data?
Yes, but Euroleague is funny in that they don't really play the young guys much. It's what they have to work with. I think the most telling thing about Bender to me is that he's still staying high in the mocks. The Euros often start falling once the NCAA kids with more tangible scouting information start rising. But it's all a guessing game. Steve Kyler tweeted the other day that he hasn't found any teams that are in love with Bender and many have him outside of the lottery, so who knows.
Posted on 6/13/16 at 12:16 pm to TigerinATL
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Brett Dawson ?@BDawsonWrites 18 minutes ago
We didn't see much basketball stuff today, but the most intriguing-looking prospect at the Pelicans workout was Guerschon Yabusele.
Guerschon Yabusele is 6-8, 260. Big, strong-looking 20-year-old who we mostly watched shoot a lot of 3-pointers today. Hit a bunch of them.
Post and Pop bruiser that's not the best defender. What's a bench version of Zach Randolph look like? Carl Landry? For anyone interested it sounds like he'd be a Eurostash candidate with one of the 2nds. Here's a Spurs blog write up on him LINK /
Posted on 6/13/16 at 1:52 pm to TigerinATL
quote:Interesting. If he does drop though, that could spell trouble for the Pelicans. We need Bender, Chriss or Brown in the top 5 in order to ensure we have a shot at one of Dunn, Hield or Murray.
Steve Kyler tweeted the other day that he hasn't found any teams that are in love with Bender and many have him outside of the lottery, so who knows.
I also saw a tweet from him the other day that said he heard that the 6th pick can be had in a trade. I hope not. He has also been pretty adamant that if Boston keeps the #3, they will take Brown (hope so).
This post was edited on 6/13/16 at 2:06 pm
Posted on 6/13/16 at 2:31 pm to NOSHAU
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I also saw a tweet from him the other day that said he heard that the 6th pick can be had in a trade. I hope not
I would'nt object to a trade if it nets a starting SG/SF. A legit starter, not Aminu like player.
Posted on 6/13/16 at 2:44 pm to TeddyPadillac
quote:Not unless it is a young player with great upside on a reasonable contract (and those are tough to get in a trade). We need a young player on a good contract.
I would'nt object to a trade if it nets a starting SG/SF. A legit starter, not Aminu like player.
Posted on 6/13/16 at 2:50 pm to NOSHAU
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Not unless it is a young player with great upside on a reasonable contract (and those are tough to get in a trade). We need a young player on a good contract.
I agree, and it would be tough to get, so i don't expect it.
Posted on 6/13/16 at 2:59 pm to TeddyPadillac
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Jeff Goodman ?@GoodmanESPN 13 minutes ago
Jamal Murray hit 79 of 100 3’s in Boston last week. Buddy Hield, per source, hit 85 of 100 in front of Celtics brass today in California.
Posted on 6/13/16 at 4:42 pm to TigerinATL
Isiah Cordinier
Gary Payton 2
Wayne Selden
Michael Gbilje
Perry Ellis
Some nice names worked out today
Gary Payton 2
Wayne Selden
Michael Gbilje
Perry Ellis
Some nice names worked out today
Posted on 6/13/16 at 4:50 pm to LosLobos111
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