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re: New ESPN Mock Draft
Posted on 6/3/16 at 12:27 pm to Crewz
Posted on 6/3/16 at 12:27 pm to Crewz
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You guys will see this summer that Evans has no value. Perhaps even negative value. I don't think the Pelicans could even give him up for a fake 2nd rounder, let alone for the 3rd pick from a year ago
I've been arguably his biggest detractor, but he has some value. He just doesn't fit this roster and system. That's why I said a package built around those two. He clearly isn't enough to make that happen, but maybe with some other pieces they'd be enticed.
That said, I can't even tell you who their coach is off hand, but I know that their new front office is probably not going to care for his dependence on fairly inefficient iso ball.
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Posted on 6/3/16 at 12:29 pm to Jester
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He was a 20 year old rookie in the NBA
He had the same issues at Duke. I just don't understand the infatuation with an around the basket scorer who really does nothing else. He is valuable because he can score, but we have limited assets and it would seem a waste to spend what we do have on Okafor.
Pretty sure the sixers aren't trading Okafor for Evans and AA. [ETA - Evans definitely doesn't have much value coming off injury. I think you can move him to a team after FA, but don't expect much in return.]
This post was edited on 6/3/16 at 12:31 pm
Posted on 6/3/16 at 12:38 pm to Jester
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but he has some value.
The teams that can use him most have nothing to send back. Both New York Teams (if Brooklyn doesn't tank) can use him. I also could see Memphis having interest if Conley were to leave. Your best bet is a playoff team with cap space it can't spend deciding Tyreke as a 6th man for a year is better than the other bad deals on the market. Still, if you get more than 2nds or an ok bench player in return I'd be shocked.
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I can't even tell you who their coach is off hand
Doesn't matter. Simmons + Reke + any non shooter = Unholy Trinity. Philly lacks guard talent and Tyreke is from Philly, but those are probably the only 2 things in his favor.
Posted on 6/3/16 at 12:47 pm to NOFOX
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I just don't understand the infatuation with an around the basket scorer who really does nothing else.
Like you said, he can score. He's highly skilled offensively, not this lumbering, strictly back to the basket guy he's portrayed as on here.
He's a future 20 ppg scorer. He's doesnt defend or rebound as well as you like, but at 7' 275, you could play the odds that he improves in those areas. As they say, "you cant teach that"
Our fans have always dreamed about Demarcus Cousins. I see a lot of early cousins in Okafor, and Okafor was better as a rookie than Cousins was. Acquiring Cousins would cost an arm and a leg. Okafor wont be cheap but if we somehow worked #6 into a deal for him, you take big who proved he can play in the league and let the rest figure itself out imo
Posted on 6/3/16 at 1:01 pm to TigerinATL
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Your best bet is a playoff team with cap space it can't spend deciding Tyreke as a 6th man for a year is better than the other bad deals on the market.
He has some value and probably as a sixth man scorer off the bench. Not sure what that nets you in return though.
Posted on 6/3/16 at 1:02 pm to Crewz
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You guys will see this summer that Evans has no value. Perhaps even negative value. I don't think the Pelicans could even give him up for a fake 2nd rounder, let alone for the 3rd pick from a year ago
Evans has no value because he had 3 knees surgeries in one season plus being an expiring. He doesn't have negative value. I'm sure plenty of team would take him as a low risk high reward type guy. only on here is he considered trash and the like of Ish and Fraizer are better.
Posted on 6/3/16 at 1:15 pm to Suntiger
quote:Future 2nd rounder?
He has some value and probably as a sixth man scorer off the bench. Not sure what that nets you in return though.
Posted on 6/3/16 at 1:22 pm to NOSHAU
I wonder if we could get more at the trade deadline. If Ryno could have gotten a 2018 1st last year, could Tyreke get you a 2019 1st?
Posted on 6/3/16 at 1:26 pm to TigerinATL
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I wonder if we could get more at the trade deadline. If Ryno could have gotten a 2018 1st last year, could Tyreke get you a 2019 1st?
Doubtful, Ryno is about to get paid like 20 mil per season, while Tyreke wouldn't get close to that.
Also, (not directed at you) Okafor is Al Jefferson. That is all.
Posted on 6/3/16 at 1:27 pm to Crewz
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I understand Murray and Bender won't be as good in 2016, but I think they will be better by 2019/2020
I've asked you about 5 times now what you see in Jamal Murray, and you continuously duck the question. Is the answer simply "unknown potential"?
Posted on 6/3/16 at 1:33 pm to NOSHAU
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Future 2nd rounder?
I think a bottom 20 First early second easy.
This post was edited on 6/3/16 at 1:33 pm
Posted on 6/3/16 at 1:36 pm to TigerinATL
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wonder if we could get more at the trade deadline. If Ryno could have gotten a 2018 1st last year, could Tyreke get you a 2019 1st?
It would cost less. He has a lesser of $1M or 15% trade kicker. Don't see the Pels paying $1M to dump him for nothing unless he is considered a cancer or we get cash considerations too
Posted on 6/3/16 at 1:46 pm to 504ByrdGang
quote:I don't see it, but if so, he will be moved. If we could trade Evans and #40 for something in the 20 range, I would be all for it.
I think a bottom 20 First early second easy.
Posted on 6/3/16 at 1:47 pm to ShamelessPel
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I've asked you about 5 times now what you see in Jamal Murray, and you continuously duck the question. Is the answer simply "unknown potential"?
Is there a noticeable talent gap b/t Hield and Murray?
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The 6'5" combo guard out of Kentucky averaged 20.0 points, 5.2 boards, 2.2 assists, 1.0 steals and 3.1 treys during his freshman season
That's pretty impressive for a freshman. You have to assume he's at the bottom of his career arch and 3 years to close the marginal gap (if there is even one) b/t him and Hield and Dunn.
Posted on 6/3/16 at 1:49 pm to Zach Lee To Amp Hill
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i'm sorry but if Demps takes a euro project who's 2-3 years away from being a contributor over an NBA ready player while the Davis clock is ticking rapidly then frick him.
Thats not what you said. You said if he took anyone other than 1 specific guy, then frick everything.
Posted on 6/3/16 at 1:59 pm to Toula
It seems like just yesterday we watched a 19 year old UK SG come into the league and ball out.
Some say Murray is better
Some say Murray is better
Posted on 6/3/16 at 2:01 pm to Toula
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Is there a noticeable talent gap b/t Hield and Murray?
To me? Yes. Buddy has better handles, a quicker release, unlimited range.
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That's pretty impressive for a freshman. You have to assume he's at the bottom of his career arch and 3 years to close the marginal gap (if there is even one) b/t him and Hield and Dunn.
I'm not sure why people are freaking out about age so much when Hield has gotten better every year in college. Murray had a great freshman season, but it was not Hield's senior year by any stretch, in production or accolades.
I could get the logic if Murray was a much better athlete or had a better frame, but neither of those are the case.
There's a reason I want to hear why MM is so high on Jamal Murray. I want to see what I'm missing, because he's a good college player that I personally have doubts can translate to the next level.
Posted on 6/3/16 at 2:01 pm to MrPappagiorgio
Neither Heild nor Dunn do the arrow shot celebration.
Advantage Jamal.
Advantage Jamal.
Posted on 6/3/16 at 2:05 pm to ShamelessPel
Compare Murray's Freshman year to Hield's freshman. And saying a senior has gotten better every year means nothing when comparing him to a freshman. Also age comes into the factor because a player has a higher ceiling the younger he is.
Posted on 6/3/16 at 2:09 pm to 504ByrdGang
quote:So, by that logic, all freshman have a higher ceiling than any junior/senior?
Also age comes into the factor because a player has a higher ceiling the younger he is.
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