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Posted on 6/24/24 at 2:23 pm to jamal
quote:jeff not jalen
You aren’t getting Green AND Smith Jr for BI.
Posted on 6/24/24 at 2:24 pm to Macintosh
Ahh yeah, I forgot about him. My apologies 
Posted on 6/24/24 at 2:54 pm to jamal
I'm curious why so many people would rather JSJ > Jalen Green for the actual current construction of our team.
Posted on 6/24/24 at 2:59 pm to Dantheman504
quote:Jalen rumored to want a max extension and cannot shoot the 3. He is pretty inefficient as well. If he were more realistic about his salary, I would not mind taking a shot on him as I view him as a boom or bust type.
I'm curious why so many people would rather JSJ > Jalen Green for the actual current construction of our team.
Posted on 6/24/24 at 2:59 pm to Dantheman504
Neither of them make sense if we intend to stick with Herb, Trey and Zion. Unless you are playing 2K, neither JSJ nor Green are going to start around those guys.
Posted on 6/24/24 at 3:10 pm to PELsu
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Neither of them make sense if we intend to stick with Herb, Trey and Zion. Unless you are playing 2K, neither JSJ nor Green are going to start around those guys.
Well i guess that's what i don't understand. JSJ is a SF and even if he can play some PF we don't need another wing to take up minutes.
Jalen Green is a shooting gaurd and acquiring him could make CJ more expendable.
Houston had a similar issue to us in the fact that they didn't really have a true PG.
I think Jalen Green could be huge on this team with a starting PG.
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Jalen rumored to want a max extension and cannot shoot the 3.
This makes more sense.
This post was edited on 6/24/24 at 3:12 pm
Posted on 6/24/24 at 3:12 pm to NOSHAU
Yeah I understand what you mean. I have reservations about damn near everybody who has been mentioned in a trade for BI. At least with Green I figured you take a chance on his talent.
Posted on 6/24/24 at 3:16 pm to PELsu
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If we are trying to build around Zion, and turn down a chance to turn Bi into Trae with fairly nominal throw ins, we should fire everyone on the spot. And I’m not Trae’s biggest fan by any means. But him and Zion with Herb and Trey spacing and playing D is a real successful formula.
I’ve been saying this for weeks now. If you can buy low on Trae, this is the year to do it. And like I said before, 1-4 will all be on the same time line age wise. Griff usually does the exact opposite of what I think he should do, so it’s doubtful this happens.
This post was edited on 6/24/24 at 3:20 pm
Posted on 6/24/24 at 3:23 pm to jamal
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I may be in the minority but I wouldn’t mind taking a chance on Green.
I think Green has more value, but I believe JSJ is a better fit next to Zion. Jalen’s biggest drawback is he can’t shoot for shite.
Posted on 6/24/24 at 3:29 pm to Townedrunkard
I wonder if there’s any world the Nets would be interested in CJ as return in a Claxton sign and trade. In an alternate universe that allows us to trade Bi, Nance and a pick/whatever for Trae, I think Claxton becomes that much more intriguing as a rim runner/protector.
PG- Trae/ Jose
SG- Herb/ Hawk
SF- Trey/ Dyson
PF- Zion/ Ryan
C- Claxton/Ware
Extremely young team, but fun if nothing else.
PG- Trae/ Jose
SG- Herb/ Hawk
SF- Trey/ Dyson
PF- Zion/ Ryan
C- Claxton/Ware
Extremely young team, but fun if nothing else.
Posted on 6/24/24 at 3:36 pm to Dantheman504
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Well i guess that's what i don't understand. JSJ is a SF and even if he can play some PF we don't need another wing to take up minutes.
JSJr hasn’t played any SF in his two years in the league. He played 88% of his minutes at PF and 12% at C year one. Last year he played about 1/3rd of his minutes at C.
I’m admittedly biased as I’ve been a big believer in JSJr and his potential since before he was drafted. He wasn’t amazing last year but he definitely took a step forward from year 1. He’s still very young and not even close to a finished product. l think he’s got another leap in him and will turn into very good starting C that will stretch the floor and give you a lot of defensive versatility.
Posted on 6/24/24 at 3:42 pm to Baron
I love JSJ as a player, but he’s a PF to me. And I know “position less” is vogue, but I don’t believe any team is winning anything meaningful with him at the 5. But he’s young and crazier things have happened.
Posted on 6/24/24 at 3:54 pm to PELsu
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I love JSJ as a player, but he’s a PF to me. And I know “position less” is vogue, but I don’t believe any team is winning anything meaningful with him at the 5. But he’s young and crazier things have happened.
You maybe right, I’m going off his measurements and tools some, but I’m mostly just making a leap of faith that he will put in the work. There’s no guarantee that he’ll ever be able to play the 5 on a winning team or that if he does, it will be in time for us to cash in during Zion’s window here.
However, when I think about where the modern NBA is going and us desperately needing a 5-out look, I would rather take a chance on JSJr being able to be effective for the next 10 years than traditional drop-coverage guys like Clingan/Edey/Kessler, etc.
This is absolutely just a personal preference. Not saying one way is right or wrong
This post was edited on 6/24/24 at 3:56 pm
Posted on 6/24/24 at 4:26 pm to Baron
If we would be looking at JSJ as our future center option knowing he wouldn't be starting PF then wouldn't it be more wise to get a Kessler + picks type deal that is high reward and low risk?
I'll be honest I like JSJ but he is a very quiet player if that makes sense (not a bad thing) and I haven't really followed him too closely. It seems like way more attention is given to Green/ Sengun. Is that just because he isn't a flashy player or because he hasn't grown to the hype?
I understand he has a high floor but can he be maximized on this team?
I 100% believe if we get Green and a PG that we can get the best out of Jalen.
I'll be honest I like JSJ but he is a very quiet player if that makes sense (not a bad thing) and I haven't really followed him too closely. It seems like way more attention is given to Green/ Sengun. Is that just because he isn't a flashy player or because he hasn't grown to the hype?
I understand he has a high floor but can he be maximized on this team?
I 100% believe if we get Green and a PG that we can get the best out of Jalen.
Posted on 6/24/24 at 4:49 pm to Baron
Jabari def can not handle a ton of minutes at the 5 rn. He’ll get eaten up. But im still doing a trade that could get both Jabari and Sheppard compared to some of these other lateral move trades. Plus Willie loves him his small ball so Jabari fits perfectly even if it may kill him.
Posted on 6/24/24 at 4:49 pm to Dantheman504
quote:I do think he’s a guy that will take a leap on his second team.
100% believe if we get Green and a PG that we can get the best out of Jalen.
This post was edited on 6/24/24 at 4:50 pm
Posted on 6/24/24 at 5:06 pm to Macintosh
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Plus Willie loves him his small ball so Jabari fits perfectly even if it may kill him.
This is true, though he does have a higher DRB% and allows a lower FG% at the rim than Nance does. So I do think it’s possible he could hold up in that role as soon as next year.
With that said, I agree he’s not ready yet to play the 5, and I’m not advocating for trading for JSJr. All I’m saying is that I like his game and I could see a universe where taking the swing on him works out phenomenally.
Posted on 6/24/24 at 5:12 pm to Dantheman504
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If we would be looking at JSJ as our future center option knowing he wouldn't be starting PF then wouldn't it be more wise to get a Kessler + picks type deal that is high reward and low risk?
Absolutely, especially in the short term. In the long term though there is a chance that JSJr is the better option. I’m only arguing that, in a trade with Houston, getting JSJr back in the deal isn’t the worst fit for us. We would still need another 5 who does more of the traditional big-man things.
I could easily see a future 3 years from now where we are kicking ourselves for not getting JSJr if we had the opportunity
Posted on 6/24/24 at 5:12 pm to PELsu
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I love JSJ as a player, but he’s a PF to me
I see JSJ’s role on this team as primary backup to Zion and closing 5. He will never be able to bang down low with Jokic and Embiid, but he absolutely can play the 5, he’s pretty prototypical size for what the league is trending towards at the 5 unless you have the Jokic/Embiid type unicorn.
Ideally I would want JSJ and then make another trade for Kessler, have Kessler as the starting center, JSJ as closing center.
This post was edited on 6/24/24 at 5:14 pm
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