re: NBA Offseason officially kicks off, Ingram’s days in NOLA coming to an end per Stein

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Kings lol and hang up

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Kings are going to be desperate, desperate teams make desperate moves. I don’t see them throwing everything to try to get Paul George knowing he won’t re-sign with them. Every other rumored name on the market is guards which they don’t need, so logically knowing they can get BI to re-sign with them they would throw that type of deal out there imo. Maybe make the 2029 1st protected, but that would be about it

I think Utah would jump all over that. The way I see it for them is Nance+13 and 21 for Collins and 10 which is probably a slight overpay but more than fair and swapping Kessler for Dyson which is also fair.

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I don’t get the Magic being so prominent in the conversation. They were the first team mentioned when BI on the trade block became a story, and now they’re one of the top betting favorites? They arguably have the worst set of expendable assets unless they are willing to go all in on picks and swaps.

It makes me think 2 things.

1) The deals for BI are terrible, but if it’s that bad it seems like you kick the can on trading BI.
2) The Magic are a likely partner in another deal. Maybe a CJ deal that is Plan B or part of moving both BI and CJ. Maybe they are going after Trae instead of Murray which means you need to move CJ.

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I think it's just that the Magic and Sixers are going to be linked to any deals because they have the most cap space, so they can facilitate trades easier than any other teams in the league.

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What do the Jazz ultimately get in that deal? Seems like a lot of nothing

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They drop back three spots and gain an additional 1st which they are seeking while saving around 40 million dollars the next two seasons, along with getting a young good defensive guard. What you mean they get nothing?

Those picks are borderline worthless, as is cap space. Utah is a team that needs salary to be able to make trades (as they're not a FA destination). And Dyson is meh and close to requiring an extension decision.

Normally I would say Ainge's price for Kessler would be Dyson or Hawk and a 1st, but I do wonder if Ainge would do a straight prospect swap with no pick. Something about Kessler being benched and being available and the rumors of wanting to trade up for Clingan who is a lot like Kessler just doesn't seem right. I'm not saying he did anything bad, I'm just wondering if he just isn't the right fit.

I think back to one of the last plays NAW made as a Pel, he made some boneheaded play at the end of a game and they cut to Willie and his look said it all. He was done with NAW, and NAW was traded not long after. It feels like something like that has to be going on with Kessler.

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poo poo platter of journeymen and middling picks

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You get the best rim protector in the league last season, 3 guys that fit with Zion and all shoot over 37% from 3 while having very appealing contracts in trades, along with the 10th pick, 2 additional future 1sts and 2 swaps, those firsts and swaps being from an organization that has a history of ineptitude.

What are you talking about? We would be a far deeper and better team with that deal.

CJ/#10(Dillingham?)/Jose
Herb/Hawk/Ryan
Trey/Huerter
Zion/Barnes/EJ
Kessler/Collins

That’s 12 guys that have proven they can play in this league, and you fill the final 2 spots with vet minimums and still squeak below the tax.

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Who is saying this?

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With this deal they can keep 29 and 32 and still try to flip it for another pick or future picks. I think the trade up scenario is for Clingan if he drops past 5 which won’t happen

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Jazz: Nance + #21 + 25' 1st Hawks: BI Pels: Murray + Kessler + #29 Call it a day.

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So you would give up BI PLUS 2 picks and not get a guy back that’s even close to BI’s value? That would be an absolutely disaster of a trade for Pels, not to mention wouldn’t work salary wise.

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With this deal they can keep 29 and 32 and still try to flip it for another pick or future picks

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Bruh they don't want #21, #29, and #32.

They are saying they want to take #29+#32 and turn it into a lower pick.

In my scenario they can do that and still maybe keep 1 of the 2

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best rim protector in the league last season

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Okay, now do every other aspect of basketball.

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We would be a far deeper and better team with that deal.

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Deeper, maybe? Better, absolutely not. You've locked yourself in as a play-in team with that roster.