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Posted on 8/9/24 at 3:30 pm to Galactic Inquisitor
Has Ingram proved he can be the second piece of even a second round team? I would say no, especially if he is number 2 to Zion. Their games just don’t mesh at all. We just traded for someone on a long term contract we think can be number 2 to Zion. Trey has to be paid and looks as though he is a perfect compliment to Zion. The resources spent on Ingram need to be used to fill out the gaping holes we still have on the roster.
Posted on 8/9/24 at 3:33 pm to ThePistol
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Has Ingram proved he can be the second piece of even a second round team?
He has never had a chance to prove or disprove this because Zion has never been healthy for the playoffs.
Posted on 8/9/24 at 4:26 pm to ThePistol
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Has Ingram proved he can be the second piece of even a second round team? I would say no, especially if he is number 2 to Zion.
Has Zion played a playoff game with BI so we can see if that's possible?
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Their games just don’t mesh at all.
Let's give Murray a chance to be their PG before we say this.
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. We just traded for someone on a long term contract we think can be number 2 to Zion.
I do hope that Murray can take some pressure off BI and Zion in the clutch, and I do think he will.
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Trey has to be paid and looks as though he is a perfect compliment to Zion.
Does anyone find it odd he hasn't been extended yet?
and he being a perfect compliment to Zion doesn't mean he's a perfect replacement for BI. Zion has to have a lead guard who can create/score to compliment him as well. You can't just put 4 Trey Murphy's and Zion on the court, although that does sound pretty cool.
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The resources spent on Ingram need to be used to fill out the gaping holes we still have on the roster.
Tha'ts not how trading a fringe all-star caliber player should ever work, especially one who seemingly wants to be here when no one else has.
Posted on 8/9/24 at 4:47 pm to ThePistol
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Has Ingram proved he can be the second piece of even a second round team? I would say no, especially if he is number 2 to Zion.
He averaged 27pts/ 6reb/6ast/ 40.7% 3pt on 1.8 per 4.5 in the 6 game series against the Suns. The top (2) assist and point leaders were BI/ CP3 and BI/ Booker. He was also right behind Val/ Ayton in rebounds and was being guarded by Mikail Bridges as our #1 player. So in the right system with the right players 100% IMO. And that is based off a BI that we HAVE seen already. Does anyone really expect BI to get "worse" as a player? I don't understand that sentiment based of a bad season.
The Suns would have given GSW way more trouble than Mavs and fricked the series up in 7games. Everyone talked about how Phoenix was the favorite to win. They were a 1 seed...
With your logic BI would have had to be "pretty bad" as a #1 option against a #1 seed with Mikial Bridges on defense to think he isnt worth a #2 spot. And he averaged 27/6/6.
It's less about what he has "proved" and more about "how people feel after last season".
Posted on 8/9/24 at 4:56 pm to Dantheman504
People got emotional about a great season turning into a bad end, and BI got blamed as the best guy available. It didn't help that the refs and NBA allowed Dort to play Greco Roman defense with nary a whistle against a rehabbing BI.
We're in the age of social media attention spans, so a lot of people forget all the good that BI does.
We're in the age of social media attention spans, so a lot of people forget all the good that BI does.
Posted on 8/9/24 at 8:29 pm to Dantheman504
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Does anyone really expect BI to get "worse" as a player
He has gotten worse. His shot selection (less 3s) is much worse which makes him more predictable and less efficient.
Posted on 8/9/24 at 8:33 pm to The Last Coco
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He has gotten worse
His true shooting % was .009 worse last season than his all star season. Don't be a prisoner of the moment.
The biggest argument for getting rid of ingram is that he isn't the player he's supposed to be because Zion is fricking injured or out of shape.
Ya know what I'm drunk but that sentence makes sense to me
Posted on 8/9/24 at 8:51 pm to whatiknowsofar
He was very clearly playing outside of his best role last year. He can handle the ball in spurts, but he is not maximized playing point. Zion started to go get the ball in the second half of the year, and the results showed. Now we also have Murray to set up the offense.
Posted on 8/9/24 at 8:58 pm to The Last Coco
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He has gotten worse. His shot selection (less 3s) is much worse which makes him more predictable and less efficient.
The last 5 years:
62g/34mp/8.2FG/17.7FGA/46%/6reb/4ast/23.8pts
61g/34mp/8.4FG/18FGA/46%/5reb/5ast/23.8pts
55g/34mp/8.2FG/17.9FGA/46%/6reb/5.6ast/22.7pts
45g/34mp/9.0FG/18.6FGA/48%/5.5reb/5.8ast/24.7pts
64g/33mp/7.8FG/15.9FGA/49%/6reb/5.7ast/[b]20.8/ptsb]
This post was edited on 8/9/24 at 9:02 pm
Posted on 8/10/24 at 7:16 am to TeddyPadillac
Trey isn’t replacing Ingram. They brought in Dejounte to replace Ingram. We cannot have 70+ million annually invested in the same position.
The organization has reached a crossroads. The roster, as constructed, is not a contender. The hole at center is way too big to overcome. They can’t pay Zion, BI, Dejounte, and Trey long term. With Dejounte on board with Zion Trey becomes much more valuable. He doesn’t require the ball in his hands, is one of the best spacers in the league, and should be as good as Ingram defensively over the life of their next contracts. He will also be 10+ million cheaper.
If I can only invest in 3 out of 4 of Z, BI, Dejounte, and Trey then I am moving off of BI every time. The other three are a better fit and it allows for more roster flexibility.
The organization has reached a crossroads. The roster, as constructed, is not a contender. The hole at center is way too big to overcome. They can’t pay Zion, BI, Dejounte, and Trey long term. With Dejounte on board with Zion Trey becomes much more valuable. He doesn’t require the ball in his hands, is one of the best spacers in the league, and should be as good as Ingram defensively over the life of their next contracts. He will also be 10+ million cheaper.
If I can only invest in 3 out of 4 of Z, BI, Dejounte, and Trey then I am moving off of BI every time. The other three are a better fit and it allows for more roster flexibility.
Posted on 8/10/24 at 10:38 am to ThePistol
Griff can spew off all the verbal gymnastics he wants but if we see it they do too. As always, he waited a year too long to make a deal.
Posted on 8/10/24 at 1:31 pm to Galactic Inquisitor
Not sure why we are down on Trey. Dude had a significant injury before last season that robbed him of camp and the first 1-2 months of the season. It’s actually impressive that his number, athleticism, and conditioning were close to the same as his previous healthy season.
Posted on 8/10/24 at 8:44 pm to 3PieceSpicy
Do we give the same grace to Ingram coming back from a big injury too? No? Okay then.
Fact remains that one is already a surefire 20/5/5 player. The other has yet to come close to it even when given the green light.
Fact remains that one is already a surefire 20/5/5 player. The other has yet to come close to it even when given the green light.
Posted on 8/11/24 at 11:09 pm to htran90
I give Ingram grace all the time. But Ingram’s injury issues are frequent and often extend much longer than usual. Which I personally give him grace on due to his unusual history with blood clotting. People shitting on Trey Murphy slightly worse after no camp, a meniscus injury, and being much more heavily scouted and game planned for; need to be studied.
Posted on 8/12/24 at 6:18 am to 3PieceSpicy
Who is shitting on Murphy?
Posted on 8/12/24 at 8:01 am to Galactic Inquisitor
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Who is shitting on Murphy?
No one unless that is his kink behind closed doors.
Posted on 8/12/24 at 9:27 am to htran90
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Fact remains that one is already a surefire 20/5/5 player. The other has yet to come close to it even when given the green light.
So we should trade Murphy or just keep him on the bench as a 25M sub?
You can't ride the fence on this any longer. It's time to make a decision and ride with it. Just own it..
Posted on 8/12/24 at 10:04 am to Galactic Inquisitor
quote:And this is why we should trade BI and insert Trey.
He was very clearly playing outside of his best role last year. He can handle the ball in spurts, but he is not maximized playing point. Zion started to go get the ball in the second half of the year, and the results showed. Now we also have Murray to set up the offense.
The best role for BI on this team is indeed not his best role, so paying him a max or big contract doesn't make sense.
Adding Dejounte just further exacerbates that.
Trey just fits better, it's just financial and fit.
Adding Dejounte just have ended the BI era, but it seems there was no interest in him league wide.
Posted on 8/12/24 at 10:19 am to htran90
quote:Murray is replacing that production.
Fact remains that one is already a surefire 20/5/5 player.
Trey will provide something else, something we desperately need.
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