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re: NBA Offseason officially kicks off, Ingram’s days in NOLA coming to an end per Stein
Posted on 8/8/24 at 8:50 am to Dantheman504
Posted on 8/8/24 at 8:50 am to Dantheman504
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Posted on 8/8/24 at 8:58 am to TigerinATL
Thought Shamit was smarter than that.
Of course BI would be S&T.
PG not being involved in a S&T was rare for somoene making that much. More often than not with a salary that high it's usually a S&T.
Of course BI would be S&T.
PG not being involved in a S&T was rare for somoene making that much. More often than not with a salary that high it's usually a S&T.
Posted on 8/8/24 at 9:25 am to TeddyPadillac
It only takes one, but looking at that list it seems like the facilitators would be limited. Houston and San Antonio probably will probably be looking to get better. That just leaves the Nets and Wizards to facilitate a big S&T.
Posted on 8/8/24 at 9:51 am to TigerinATL
Houston has major extensions coming up. You can remove them from the list.
Posted on 8/8/24 at 10:04 am to PELsu
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Houston has major extensions coming up. You can remove them from the list.
Houston is taking the Philly approach. They haven't signed them incase they want to make a move or S&T them.
Yes there are limited teams with cap space. There are also a good amount of shitty contracts that will be on the move.
Posted on 8/8/24 at 10:24 am to Dantheman504
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Yes there are limited teams with cap space. There are also a good amount of shitty contracts that will be on the move.
Exactly I agree with you here. There are ways to create cap space. Nothing is set in stone.
Posted on 8/9/24 at 8:07 am to Pels_Yaz
I don't see a landing spot. I love thinking about and discussing the possibilities. I look at Ingram's skills and talent to try to see where would he be the best fit.
I don't think it would be a young team, seeking a cornerstone or compliment to an emerging star (like Wemby). I believe he'd be best as a 3rd guy with a team that already has 2 established guys, looking for another to put them over the top. Maybe teams like Indy and Miami. The Kings would have been good too, but that's out the door now. The summer was the time to get that done, since the trade will have to be imbalanced.
He'll be screwed as a FA next summer though. He should sign as an extension now, even if it's low. Lock up the long term money..
I don't think it would be a young team, seeking a cornerstone or compliment to an emerging star (like Wemby). I believe he'd be best as a 3rd guy with a team that already has 2 established guys, looking for another to put them over the top. Maybe teams like Indy and Miami. The Kings would have been good too, but that's out the door now. The summer was the time to get that done, since the trade will have to be imbalanced.
He'll be screwed as a FA next summer though. He should sign as an extension now, even if it's low. Lock up the long term money..
Posted on 8/9/24 at 8:33 am to brmark70816
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I don't see a landing spot.
It hasn't opened yet. Some team will under perform and be looking for answers. The 2nd Apron has had a chilling effect on teams in the offseason, but the combination of the flattened lottery and the Playin Tournament has had the opposite effect during the season. When you have 22-24 teams thinking they can get in the playoffs instead of 16-20, every trade deadline has felt like the buyers are desperate but there's no inventory on the market.
I also was really surprised at how the first story out when BI was rumored to be on the trade block had the Magic as a likely trade partner for Ingram and how Vegas had them as one of the favorites the entire time. It never made sense to me, and I really don't like much that they would want to send back, but Vegas usually knows things. Maybe the Magic under perform and get desperate or over perform and think they can take that next step and are willing to give up enough picks to make a BI deal happen.
This post was edited on 8/9/24 at 8:35 am
Posted on 8/9/24 at 8:49 am to TigerinATL
I think Toronto is an interesting team to look at.
They have Barrett someone cost controlled for 3 more years.
If they were able to keep BI at around $40M/yr in year 1, then they could likely stay under the tax next year.
Quickly/Barrett/BI/Barnes/Poeltl is a nice starting 5.
BI, Hawkins, JRE for Bruce Brown, Olynyk (who i'm sure they'd rather keep as a Canadian, but i doubt they want to move Poeltl), Ochai, Portland's 25 2nd, 26 1st from Indy or Tor, and another 1st(25/26/27).
But I still want to start the season as is, and see what a Murray/BI/Zion core can do. If it works, then i'm not trading BI. If it doesn't, then fine, look for something like this, which is basically what Toronto got for Siakam as an expiring at the deadline.
They have Barrett someone cost controlled for 3 more years.
If they were able to keep BI at around $40M/yr in year 1, then they could likely stay under the tax next year.
Quickly/Barrett/BI/Barnes/Poeltl is a nice starting 5.
BI, Hawkins, JRE for Bruce Brown, Olynyk (who i'm sure they'd rather keep as a Canadian, but i doubt they want to move Poeltl), Ochai, Portland's 25 2nd, 26 1st from Indy or Tor, and another 1st(25/26/27).
But I still want to start the season as is, and see what a Murray/BI/Zion core can do. If it works, then i'm not trading BI. If it doesn't, then fine, look for something like this, which is basically what Toronto got for Siakam as an expiring at the deadline.
Posted on 8/9/24 at 9:20 am to TeddyPadillac
That’s an awful trade for us
Posted on 8/9/24 at 9:24 am to MasterAbe1
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That’s an awful trade for us
I didn't say it was a great trade, I said it was similar to what Toronto got for Siakam in a similar situation, and i said i'd only do it if it was obvious the Murray/BI/Zion core doesn't work and you knew BI was leaving at the end of the season no matter what. This is a Jan/Feb trade, after you've seen enough.
Posted on 8/9/24 at 9:32 am to TeddyPadillac
If BI could be had for $40, he would be signed already. And that would be a crazy expensive and average team in Toronto, no way they would do that.
Posted on 8/9/24 at 1:21 pm to PELsu
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If BI could be had for $40, he would be signed already
I'm not sure I agree with this. He may want to get to RFA and see what the market offers. It may be less than $40M. It may be more, but I think that's the way this is trending.
Also, him reaching RFA does not automatically equate to "letting him walk." He may find a cold market and resign with us on a friendlier deal. Some team without space may want to add him through s-&-t.
ETA: I think you're right about where it stands now. He can't be had for $40M today, but theres a good chance he will in the next 14 months.
This post was edited on 8/9/24 at 1:26 pm
Posted on 8/9/24 at 2:13 pm to PELsu
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If BI could be had for $40, he would be signed already
Not so sure about that. $40M in year 1 is a 4/$180M deal. That's not what he wanted this summer, but that may be what he ends up with closer to October.
Or he doesn't sign an extension and he tests the waters next offseason, which the only way that happens is if he has pretty much said I want to be traded, or the team has pretty much told him we are trading you.
If they are being honest that he wants to be here and they want him, then I see no way he goes into the season without the extension signed, and that means he's here all year, no trading him. I also think the team (Griff) is just spewing bullshite when he says that they want him and he wants to be here.
I also think with BI's injury history he'd be an idiot to not agree to an extension. $180M, $200M, what the hell is the difference at that point? Of course you want the most money, but when you're talking about that much, is it really that big of a difference, especially considering his injury history? I would think he'd rather secure his money now.
He wants $200M. We probably offered $170, and he'll end up signing for 4/$185M.
4/$185M has a first year salary of $41M, last year is $52, and it'll be right at 25% of the cap the whole time, which is where he's at right now.
Posted on 8/9/24 at 2:15 pm to Galactic Inquisitor
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He may want to get to RFA and see what the market offers.
he wouldn't be a RFA. He'd be unrestricted.
RFA means we can match any offer. We can match one next offseason, but he's free to still say GFY.
Posted on 8/9/24 at 2:28 pm to TeddyPadillac
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He wants $200M. We probably offered $170, and he'll end up signing for 4/$185M.
4/$185M has a first year salary of $41M, last year is $52, and it'll be right at 25% of the cap the whole time, which is where he's at right now.
I wouldn't go above 4/130. Then I'd still be looking to trade him as soon as I can. He's a good asset at 30M or less. Above that, he gets worse as the numbers increase. We have to be able to scan the market and see the value. Sign the best deal for us that makes him the most attractive movable deal.
Also giving him an extension that starts at 40M or above means he's our highest paid player for the next 3 years. Why is he getting more money than Zion? I don't care about the slots or any of all that. Nobody should be paid more than Zion on this team..
Posted on 8/9/24 at 2:47 pm to TeddyPadillac
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he wouldn't be a RFA. He'd be unrestricted.
RFA means we can match any offer. We can match one next offseason, but he's free to still say GFY.
True, but the rest of the point stands. The market for a $40M salary into cap space is going to be limited.
Posted on 8/9/24 at 3:01 pm to Galactic Inquisitor
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he market for a $40M salary into cap space is going to be limited.
As i've said before, guys making that much are almost always S&T to their new team. PG was the exception this year.
DeRozan was only $25M, and the Kings still did a S&T for him, and all the Bulls got out of that was 2 2nd round picks.
Posted on 8/9/24 at 3:19 pm to brmark70816
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I wouldn't go above 4/130.
Well that's b/c you live in rainbow land.
rainbow land isn't real, if you didn't know.
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Also giving him an extension that starts at 40M or above means he's our highest paid player for the next 3 years. Why is he getting more money than Zion? I don't care about the slots or any of all that. Nobody should be paid more than Zion on this team..
Zion is going to make just slightly more than him this year.
Zion will make $39.4M next year.
A 4/$177 contract would have him making just less than Zion, basically the same, and that's an average salary of $44M. I wouldn't be surprised if they are telling BI that his contract should coincide with Zion's. Siakam signed for the same exact salary as Haliburton for the next 4 years, at 4/$189M
And I would bet that this does make a difference to both Zion and BI a bit, although it's not that big of a deal considering this is BI's third contract. Gobert and KAT are both making more than Edwards. No one thinks it's not Edwards' team. Garland is goign to make more than Mitchell this year. Sabonis is making more than Fox.
Posted on 8/9/24 at 3:22 pm to TeddyPadillac
If you can't start both Trey and BI, there is no realistic dollar amount figure that works to keep BI on this team.
You trade him for any best offer you can get between now or the deadline, or you let him walk as a free agent.
Anything else is going to be a massive error by Griff.
You trade him for any best offer you can get between now or the deadline, or you let him walk as a free agent.
Anything else is going to be a massive error by Griff.
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