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re: Murray to Pels is OFFICIALLY OFFICIAL
Posted on 6/29/24 at 12:05 pm to SCLSUMuddogs
Posted on 6/29/24 at 12:05 pm to SCLSUMuddogs
Yeah, a move for KAT looks better on paper. Especially when you neglect the financials. Such a deal would place in a position we’re trying to avoid. KAT wouldn’t work for this team upon further review.
IMO the team should be looking for a Center to protect the rim, set hard screens, with the size to matchup with the Jokic, Wemby, and AD’s for around 18-22 mins a night ideally.
I don’t think you need to move BI to make that happen.
Should be fun to see how the rest of the Summer unfolds. Sure to still be plenty of melting’ in that NOLA heat as always regardless of which direction the front office chooses.
IMO the team should be looking for a Center to protect the rim, set hard screens, with the size to matchup with the Jokic, Wemby, and AD’s for around 18-22 mins a night ideally.
I don’t think you need to move BI to make that happen.
Should be fun to see how the rest of the Summer unfolds. Sure to still be plenty of melting’ in that NOLA heat as always regardless of which direction the front office chooses.
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Posted on 6/29/24 at 12:07 pm to SCLSUMuddogs
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Going into next year without another 5 would be bad news
The Raptors tried that. It didn't go well for them.
Posted on 6/29/24 at 12:09 pm to SCLSUMuddogs
Im looking to replenish assets with the BI trade.
Something like
BI to Philly
Capela and picks to Nola
ATL gets a 20M TPE and gets off capela for nothing.
We get a starting center on a 22M expiring deal that we can use in further moves.
Id also do Huerter, Devin Carter and picks to Nola. I still think Huerter is a good player and would fit really well on this team off the bench.
BI to Sac
Barnes to ATL for Capela
Im also looking to move CJ. Maybe detroit would like his shooting and vet leadership?
CJ for Stewart or CJ + 1st for Duren
Something like
BI to Philly
Capela and picks to Nola
ATL gets a 20M TPE and gets off capela for nothing.
We get a starting center on a 22M expiring deal that we can use in further moves.
Id also do Huerter, Devin Carter and picks to Nola. I still think Huerter is a good player and would fit really well on this team off the bench.
BI to Sac
Barnes to ATL for Capela
Im also looking to move CJ. Maybe detroit would like his shooting and vet leadership?
CJ for Stewart or CJ + 1st for Duren
Posted on 6/29/24 at 12:16 pm to MrJimBeam
Agree Murray is a real lead guard who can get his own shot and facilitate especially in the clutch. Fills a huge need.
Another point not much discussed is he's a dog. Was watching a Hawks podcast on the trade and one of the guy's upset by the trade said if he went up and down the entire Hawks roster, Murray was the only guy he'd pick to have next to him in a street fight. Pels need some of that as well...
Another point not much discussed is he's a dog. Was watching a Hawks podcast on the trade and one of the guy's upset by the trade said if he went up and down the entire Hawks roster, Murray was the only guy he'd pick to have next to him in a street fight. Pels need some of that as well...
Posted on 6/29/24 at 12:20 pm to New City Champ
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Murray was the only guy he'd pick to have next to him in a street fight. Pels need some of that as well...
Especially since we're losing Naji.
Posted on 6/29/24 at 2:21 pm to GOP_Tiger
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Especially since we're losing Naji.
Watch clips from last offseason when Murray went ham on Paolo in some random tournament. The guy is a definition of a dog.
Posted on 6/29/24 at 2:23 pm to Balsamic_duck
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Im looking to replenish assets with the BI trade.
If we can't get Allen/ Kessler/ Lauri/ etcc then we should get a younger center + picks and still add Capella if we have the trade exceptions available.
For example:
BI for Mark Williams + Cappella + picks
We have very little cap space even with trading BI for no contracts so if the space is available it makes sense.
Posted on 6/29/24 at 2:24 pm to Balsamic_duck
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looking to replenish assets with the BI trade.
frick that. The time is now. Turn ingram into a legit 5
Posted on 6/29/24 at 2:28 pm to whatiknowsofar
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frick that. The time is now. Turn ingram into a legit 5
Agreed there are lot of bigs on the market more than past seasons. The proper move would be to use BI to get a legit starting big that Willie is comfy with. We wait too long and some of those guys may be off the market.
Posted on 6/29/24 at 2:41 pm to GOP_Tiger
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Even though he may not have a reputation among the national audience as a big-shot maker, Murray has been one of the most productive “clutch” performers in the league for years. He’s the only player in the NBA that’s finished top-15 in “clutch” points each of the past four seasons.
This trade was a direct attempt to address that major flaw in this group. With the Western Conference being so ultra-competitive from top to bottom, a considerable improvement in this area could be the difference between fighting for home-court advantage or a Play-In spot.
Huge. Well done Griff. Clutch some might say
Posted on 6/29/24 at 2:43 pm to whatiknowsofar
I just looked at Murray's shot profile and he's literally what we wish Ingram shot profile looked like. It's insane.
60% of Murray's shots we're from deep!!! He took 554 threes this past season. For reference, CJ took 557 which was 53% of his shots.
Murray shot 26% of his shots from deep during his final year in San Antonio and has increased it every year since.
BI on the other hand is coming off of a season where he only shot 31% of his attempts from deep. 20% in 2022
23% in 2021
34% in 2020
35% in 2019
60% of Murray's shots we're from deep!!! He took 554 threes this past season. For reference, CJ took 557 which was 53% of his shots.
Murray shot 26% of his shots from deep during his final year in San Antonio and has increased it every year since.
BI on the other hand is coming off of a season where he only shot 31% of his attempts from deep. 20% in 2022
23% in 2021
34% in 2020
35% in 2019
Posted on 6/29/24 at 2:46 pm to Chalkywhite84
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Clutch some might say
I haven’t heard anyone mention this much since the trade but does anyone have a little apprehension of dealing with Klutch and Rich Paul again?
I feel like everyone can be professional but it does worry me a bit. He basically embarrassed this franchise with the whole AD situation.
Posted on 6/29/24 at 2:46 pm to Balsamic_duck
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Allen and strus by far.
Allen is way better and strus is a very solid rotation gu
I would agree except for the contracts.
Allen and stress don't cone cheap. I'm thinking they make 40 kil a yr combined.
Kessler and pics would be cheap. Eventually you have to hot on some draft picks.
Posted on 6/29/24 at 2:47 pm to Pels_Yaz
quote:pucks.
Whats your guy’s thoughts on Lopez and Portis for BI?
Portis gives us a great bench and the tough guy we need. Lopez fits right in with his shooting and shot blocking.
Posted on 6/29/24 at 2:52 pm to Chalkywhite84
So we gave up the lakers pick next year?
Posted on 6/29/24 at 3:01 pm to FMtTXtiger
Yes
Posted on 6/29/24 at 3:03 pm to brmark70816
And Chris Paul started every game he played in until he didn’t.
Russell Westbrook moved to the bench on his last two teams.
Things change. I’m not saying it needs to happen but don’t say it can’t just because we’ve never seen it.
Russell Westbrook moved to the bench on his last two teams.
Things change. I’m not saying it needs to happen but don’t say it can’t just because we’ve never seen it.
Posted on 6/29/24 at 3:05 pm to supe12sta12z
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I just looked at Murray's shot profile and he's literally what we wish Ingram shot profile looked like. It's insane. 60% of Murray's shots were from deep!!! He took 554 threes this past season. For reference, CJ took 557 which was 53% of his shots. Murray shot 26% of his shots from deep during his final year in San Antonio and has increased it every year since. BI on the other hand is coming off of a season where he only shot 31% of his attempts from deep. 20% in 2022 23% in 2021 34% in 2020 35% in 2019
You may want to look at those stats again. He shot 554 3’s and 1463 total FGs. That’s roughly 38% of his shots from 3.
BI took 242 3’s and 1017 total FGs, which is roughly 24%.
CJ took 557 3’s and 1055 total FGs, which is roughly 53%.
So it looks like Murray falls right between BI and CJ’s 3 point shot frequency.
Posted on 6/29/24 at 3:10 pm to Epic Cajun
Ahh shite, you're right. Got my numbers mixed up. But still 38% is a huge number considering the volume of shots from deep.
Posted on 6/29/24 at 3:15 pm to supe12sta12z
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Ahh shite, you're right. Got my numbers mixed up. But still 38% is a huge number considering the volume of shots from deep.
38% is still pretty good. To give some context, of the 54 players who shot at least 15 FGA per game and played at least half the season, he has the 21st highest 3 point shot frequency. For added context BI was 46th out of 54. CJ was second only behind Curry. Zion was dead last, 54th out of 54
ETA: added context for other players in the NBA with a similar 3 point frequency %, Murray is right around the same frequency as Fox, Maxey, Kyrie, Jamal Murray, and Ant.
This post was edited on 6/29/24 at 3:23 pm
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