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re: LAPD sergeant broke policy by kneeling on neck of NBA player Jaxson Hayes during arrest
Posted on 7/15/22 at 9:51 am to brmark70816
Posted on 7/15/22 at 9:51 am to brmark70816
quote:You keep avoiding the point, what happens when the cops beat up the dude that didn't actually do anything?
Good luck. Violence is met with violence. I am very interested to hear how you believe this situation should have been handled in a peaceful and equitable way that would have resulted in the best possible outcome. You Monday morning quarterbacks of the situation should be fascinating..
Who will you blame then? You can't blame the cop, how are they supposed to know? So do you just say "my bad" to the innocent guy and go about your day?
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Posted on 7/15/22 at 9:52 am to higgsBoson
quote:Poster brmark thinks the cop should have beat his arse and it's just too bad for him even if he didn't do a single thing.
I know someone in Louisiana who was arrested because the system had an erroneous warrant out for him. He had to spend the night in prison before they figured out there was an error in the system. And the cops were quite aggressive as he was pleading with them that it must be a mistake. You never know when you’re going to have a bad interaction with cops.
Posted on 7/15/22 at 10:05 am to shel311
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Poster brmark thinks the cop should have beat his arse and it's just too bad for him even if he didn't do a single thing.
I watched the video and saw how it played out. Yes, he should have got his arse whopped. He deserved it and brought it upon himself. I see no fault in how the police conducted themselves. You have a manic high massive professional athlete that is agitating the situation and will not comply. They had to detain and remove him from the immediate area. Once he resisted I'm willing to give the police a huge degree of leeway.
I don't see how this is resolved peacefully and nobody has any suggestions. They just keep saying how the cops messed up. How could they have done better? Who talks Hayes down and gets him to comply? It's a jacked up situation and it went a bit sideways.
Hayes was a drug addict that went to rehab and took a plea deal. That tells me he knows he was at fault and had to do things to get right. So all the strawman innocent anecdotes just don't apply to this situation.
Posted on 7/15/22 at 10:05 am to Epic Cajun
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Not a single person has given Jaxson any sort of pass. Everyone admits that he was wrong and a dumbass. There are a few people trying to give LE a pass though.
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some people will still blame Jax because they think cops cant do anything wrong
"still blame Jax"
and you idiots attacking me as if i'm boot licking by simply saying don't be a criminal and you don't have to worry about cops mistreating you. That statement is no different if i said "don't stop at gas stations on plank road at 2am and you dont' have to worry about getting robbed or murdered"
brmark is the only one giving the cops a pass here.
Look how this transpired:
a simple statement of
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Don’t be a shithead who disobeys the law
followed up with
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So Jaxson has to follow the rules, but the cops don’t? What kind of dumbass standard is that?
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Obviously, you've never been arrested for something that you didn't do
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The authoritarian standard
See how the emphasis went straight to the cops being bad, basically dismissing the criminal activity that started it, while also ASSUMING the cops are getting pass?
What's more important to you is police reform, instead of people simply not being criminals. And yes i know you aren't giving Jax a pass, its just the fact that care more about how criminals are treated by police above simply not being a criminal.
you guys hate the police so much, and i get it, and there are plenty of bad cops out there that give them reason to hate, but it's just astonishing to me how you guys assumed a simple statement of "don't be a shithead who disobeys the law" turned into thinking everyone is a boot licker.
personal responsibility. that's all.
Posted on 7/15/22 at 10:10 am to brmark70816
quote:By "they" you mean the cops said the cops messed up.
They just keep saying how the cops messed up
quote:Follow protocol
How could they have done better?
Posted on 7/15/22 at 10:11 am to TeddyPadillac
quote:Seems rather obvious he's talking about blaming Jax for the cops overstepping their boundaries.
"still blame Jax"
and you idiots attacking me as if i'm boot licking by simply saying don't be a criminal and you don't have to worry about cops mistreating you. That statement is no different if i said "don't stop at gas stations on plank road at 2am and you dont' have to worry about getting robbed or murdered"
brmark is the only one giving the cops a pass here.
Posted on 7/15/22 at 10:16 am to TeddyPadillac
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and you idiots attacking me as if i'm boot licking by simply saying don't be a criminal and you don't have to worry about cops mistreating you. That statement is no different if i said "don't stop at gas stations on plank road at 2am and you dont' have to worry about getting robbed or murdered"
It was a blanket statement that is incorrect. The wrong of Jax in the situation doesn't make the wrong from the police in the situation "okay".
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See how the emphasis went straight to the cops being bad, basically dismissing the criminal activity that started it, while also ASSUMING the cops are getting pass?
What's more important to you is police reform, instead of people simply not being criminals. And yes i know you aren't giving Jax a pass, its just the fact that care more about how criminals are treated by police above simply not being a criminal.
"Don't break the law", riveting take.
It goes without saying that people shouldn't break the law, but they don't lose all rights at the point when they are suspected to have broken the law.
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you guys hate the police so much, and i get it, and there are plenty of bad cops out there that give them reason to hate, but it's just astonishing to me how you guys assumed a simple statement of "don't be a shithead who disobeys the law" turned into thinking everyone is a boot licker.
personal responsibility. that's all.
I don't hate the police at all, I'm on their side on numerous occasions, Sterling, Brown, etc...
But, I also look at each incident as a single incident and don't lump them all together. Sometimes I agree with the approach that was taken, and sometimes I don't
Posted on 7/15/22 at 10:22 am to TeddyPadillac
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See how the emphasis went straight to the cops being bad,
That's what this story is about. Go back and look at the OP. We already had tons of threads about Jaxson's wrongdoing, back when the incident occurred and then again when he pled guilty.
Today's story is about the police misconduct in that incident, so yeah, that's what many of us are talking about.
Posted on 7/15/22 at 10:28 am to GOP_Tiger
quote:Exactly what I was thinking.
That's what this story is about. Go back and look at the OP. We already had tons of threads about Jaxson's wrongdoing, back when the incident occurred and then again when he pled guilty.
Today's story is about the police misconduct in that incident, so yeah, that's what many of us are talking about.
We did the posts/threads with Jax's behavior, and he was sentenced for it, I think?
This thread and OP was specifically about the cop's actions since there is new information about specifically the cop's actions, so it is pretty odd to then complain that this thread is focusing only on the "cops being bad."
Posted on 7/15/22 at 10:34 am to shel311
Really healthy discussion so far, I think we should post this everywhere on social media to show the world how a sound, healthy discussion should work.
Posted on 7/15/22 at 11:04 am to GOP_Tiger
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Today's story is about the police misconduct in that incident, so yeah, that's what many of us are talking about.
cool.
then why attack someone for simply saying "don't be a criminal"?
Posted on 7/15/22 at 11:08 am to TeddyPadillac
quote:If we're being honest Teddy, I think you were on the attack more than or at least as much as others.
then why attack someone for simply saying "don't be a criminal"?
Posted on 7/15/22 at 11:25 am to shel311
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Follow protocol
We aren't talking about the same thing.
The Cops broke "protocol" in the aftermath by using excessive force and improper holds, maybe something to do with usage of the taser.
I am focused on how it escalated and what put those cops into that situation. I believe they were fine until it went into combat. Right? So we are really just debating on how far they should have gone. Or do you believe they had no right to detain him?
Posted on 7/15/22 at 11:28 am to brmark70816
quote:Man, you have some really strong takes on this situation for having not read the article and admitting you have no idea at all what is being discussed.
The Cops broke "protocol" in the aftermath by using excessive force and improper holds, maybe something to do with usage of the taser.
I am focused on how it escalated and what put those cops into that situation. I believe they were fine until it went into combat. Right? So we are really just debating on how far they should have gone. Or do you believe they had no right to detain him?
Posted on 7/15/22 at 11:32 am to Epic Cajun
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It was a blanket statement that is incorrect. The wrong of Jax in the situation doesn't make the wrong from the police in the situation "okay".
and that's not what the statement meant.
It's what you are trying to imply it means though.
and it isn't incorrect. Don't be a criminal and it doesn't happen. why that is up for debate is still astonishing to me, and don't say it isn't b/c you keep trying to spin it in a way so that we just talk about the cops wrongdoing.
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It goes without saying that people shouldn't break the law, but they don't lose all rights at the point when they are suspected to have broken the law.
And that's what is bothersome here. You're more worried about a criminals rights when arrested than the criminal activity. And dont' tell me that's what the article is about, b/c you guys went off b/c someone made a very simple statement about personal responsibility that made no implications that the police didn't do wrong as well.
I completely agree there is a fair way they should be treated, and there are rules in place that should be followed, and that cops can't have ultimate power.
But the root of the problem is being a dumbass criminal here, yet we don't want to talk about that and just accept that its going to happen so lets focus more on how we handle the criminal, than the criminal itself.
Posted on 7/15/22 at 11:35 am to shel311
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If we're being honest Teddy, I think you were on the attack more than or at least as much as others.
you are right, after i saw several people attack that very simple statement that in no way said the cops were ok to do what they did.
It irritates me that people can't accept personal responsibility, which is all that statement is about.
Posted on 7/15/22 at 11:46 am to TeddyPadillac
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And that's what is bothersome here. You're more worried about a criminals rights when arrested than the criminal activity. And dont' tell me that's what the article is about, b/c you guys went off b/c someone made a very simple statement about personal responsibility that made no implications that the police didn't do wrong as well.
I completely agree there is a fair way they should be treated, and there are rules in place that should be followed, and that cops can't have ultimate power.
But the root of the problem is being a dumbass criminal here, yet we don't want to talk about that and just accept that its going to happen so lets focus more on how we handle the criminal, than the criminal itself.
There's nothing to talk about in regards to the criminal behavior because we have a justice system that handles that.
Once again, of course people shouldn't break the law, but saying "well, if you didn't break the law in the first place you wouldn't have to worry about police abusing their power" isn't really a great take. You even compared it to someone going get gas in the hood, and blaming them if they get robbed. I guess the girl shouldn't have worn a short skirt while walking down the dark alleyway either. It's just not a great look
Posted on 7/15/22 at 11:52 am to Epic Cajun
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well, if you didn't break the law in the first place you wouldn't have to worry about police abusing their power" isn't really a great take. You even compared it to someone going get gas in the hood, and blaming them if they get robbed. I guess the girl shouldn't have worn a short skirt while walking down the dark alleyway either. It's just not a great look
I don't know you at all. But if I came upon you and bowed up casuing a physical altercation then wouldn't i bear some responsibility for the outcomes that happen to me?
So when you attack two cops you might get roughed up a good bit. I think he got off really light given the circumstances. The investigation is BS. It was spurred by social media.
Posted on 7/15/22 at 12:27 pm to brmark70816
quote:You're pretending cops don't have protocols to fit your agenda.
So when you attack two cops you might get roughed up a good bit. I think he got off really light given the circumstances. The investigation is BS. It was spurred by social media.
Cops have protocols. They were broken. That's it.
But you also have no clue what protocols were broken because you didn't take the time to read the article, so there's that too.
This post was edited on 7/15/22 at 12:28 pm
Posted on 7/15/22 at 12:32 pm to brmark70816
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So when you attack two cops you might get roughed up a good bit. I think he got off really light given the circumstances. The investigation is BS. It was spurred by social media.
Nobody on social media gives two shits about Jaxson. There was no witch hunt against the PD here
The cops tased him twice, he definitely got roughed up a good bit. You're acting like people in here are saying they should have just let Jaxson push them and they just ask him nicely to stop. He got physical, so they got physical. That doesn't mean that once he is restrained that the cop should kneel on his neck.
I mean there's video evidence. It was clear that they needed to get physical with him. It was also clear the one cop needed to get off his neck. It's pretty simple and the PD acknowledges it.
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