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JJ Redick: "This is the most 'freelance' offense I've been in during my entire NBA career"
Posted on 11/13/19 at 2:56 pm
Posted on 11/13/19 at 2:56 pm
per Kushner.
Doesn't that just say it all.
Doesn't that just say it all.
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Posted on 11/13/19 at 3:02 pm to Fun Bunch
"Freelance" offense.
No semblance of defense
2-8 record when most, not just Pels fans, think we should better.
What exactly is Gentry doing well right now?
No semblance of defense
2-8 record when most, not just Pels fans, think we should better.
What exactly is Gentry doing well right now?
Posted on 11/13/19 at 3:05 pm to shel311
Gentry is fulfilling his need perfectly as a 1 year scapegoat extension for the rest of the FO
Posted on 11/13/19 at 3:06 pm to Fun Bunch
quote:
This is the most 'freelance
can someone run this through the bullshite translator for me?
Posted on 11/13/19 at 3:07 pm to Chad504boy
They don't run any system whatsoever.
Posted on 11/13/19 at 3:08 pm to Fun Bunch
A young team and a free lance offense. Sounds like a train wreck.
Posted on 11/13/19 at 3:11 pm to Fun Bunch
That’s why he’s Uncle Al
Posted on 11/13/19 at 3:23 pm to Fun Bunch
Gentry is just so fricking adamant on being golden state from when he was there. It only works when you have Steph and Klay, not Jrue and zo shooting combined 4-17 on 3s each game
Posted on 11/13/19 at 3:38 pm to bojangles837
quote:We talked about it before.
Gentry is just so fricking adamant on being golden state from when he was there. It only works when you have Steph and Klay, not Jrue and zo shooting combined 4-17 on 3s each game
A good coach will change his system based around his talent.
Gentry continues to try and change his talent to fit into his system.
Posted on 11/13/19 at 3:59 pm to shel311
I can even see that. I’m not a basketball coach or anything but I don’t think he has a set rotation. It’s looks like a pick up game at UNO with a bunch of young guys running around.
Posted on 11/13/19 at 4:01 pm to bojangles837
Im not so sure they were going to win a lot of games with Steph freaking Curry and DeAngelo Russell running it.
Posted on 11/13/19 at 4:42 pm to Fun Bunch
I get that JJ's remarks sound bad but let's take a deeper dive into the numbers:
Offensive Rating: 12th -108.1
Ast%: 9th - 62.0
Ast/To: 14th 1.50
Ast Ratio: 8th - 18.0
Tov%: 22nd - 16.5 (Yikes)
Effective FG%: 7th - 53.6
TS%: 10th - 56.3
Pace: 3rd - 107.08
%FGA 3pts: 4th - 42.4
%PTS 3Pt: 4th - 36.9
Personally I am for an offense that is a bit more structured, but currently this is a top 10-12 offense in the league. As most of us know, the defense is where Gentry and the staff is dropping the ball.
29th in Defensive Rating
29th in Def Reb%
30th in Opponents Points off of Turnovers
28th in Opponents 2nd chance points
30th in Opponents Fast Break Points
29th in Opponents Points in the Paint
The issue isn't offensively. We are worst or bottom 3 in the league at getting Def rebounds, giving up open 3's, points in the paint,fast break points, and 2nd chance points. If this defense was even rankked between 15-20th overall, it would probably be a .500 team. Instead, we are looking at a historically bad defense.
Offensive Rating: 12th -108.1
Ast%: 9th - 62.0
Ast/To: 14th 1.50
Ast Ratio: 8th - 18.0
Tov%: 22nd - 16.5 (Yikes)
Effective FG%: 7th - 53.6
TS%: 10th - 56.3
Pace: 3rd - 107.08
%FGA 3pts: 4th - 42.4
%PTS 3Pt: 4th - 36.9
Personally I am for an offense that is a bit more structured, but currently this is a top 10-12 offense in the league. As most of us know, the defense is where Gentry and the staff is dropping the ball.
29th in Defensive Rating
29th in Def Reb%
30th in Opponents Points off of Turnovers
28th in Opponents 2nd chance points
30th in Opponents Fast Break Points
29th in Opponents Points in the Paint
The issue isn't offensively. We are worst or bottom 3 in the league at getting Def rebounds, giving up open 3's, points in the paint,fast break points, and 2nd chance points. If this defense was even rankked between 15-20th overall, it would probably be a .500 team. Instead, we are looking at a historically bad defense.
Posted on 11/13/19 at 5:02 pm to 504Voodoo
Defensive rebounding is overstated. Forget the rankings and look at it from game to game stat against our opponents. The only game that stands out is the GSW game where they absolutely owned the glass. Every other game the Pelicans has gone toe to toe with their opponents on the glass.
Yea defense has been the biggest issue. The Pelicans are a black hole in the paint. Until that changes, they’re won’t be able to stop anyone.
Yea defense has been the biggest issue. The Pelicans are a black hole in the paint. Until that changes, they’re won’t be able to stop anyone.
Posted on 11/13/19 at 5:15 pm to Chad504boy
quote:
can someone run this through the bullshite translator for me?
This is an article about Finch's offense from when he first came here, but I'd say it still applies.
quote:
After listening to him talk about his plans for the Pelicans, the best way to summarize Finch’s offensive goal is “randomness.” He believes that having multiple playmakers on the offensive end (he highlighted not just Boogie and AD, but also Holiday and Rondo) will allow the team to play with a high degree of randomness, which will make them more difficult to guard, since opponents will have a more difficult time predicting who any given possession will feature.
...On how to make the offense work with Jrue and Rondo: Finch started out by noting that a lot of the guys in the lineup can play multiple positions. He said that it’s a positionless game on the offensive end, so teams need to be able to guard multiple positions, and also that having multiple ball-handlers and multiple attackers will allow the team to play with randomness. Speaking about Rondo in particular, Finch said that he will help to spot mismatches and control tempo & flow, as well as help the team close games. He described himself and Gentry as not being big “play-call” guys – they both prefer to play through flow – but when you need to call plays, Rondo is the guy who can do that. He also emphasized the importance of willingness to pass the ball, saying that when you play with great passing players, you want to pass the ball, and if the team can master that, then it will have have something special.
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So basically they want randomness or "freelancing" most of the time, but when the defense tightens up you go to your proven crunch time floor general and playmaker. Since we don't have one of those they should give the ball to Ingram.
Posted on 11/13/19 at 5:22 pm to supe12sta12z
quote:
Defensive rebounding is overstated.
I typically would agree with you here until you realize we are the 3rd worst team in giving up 2nd chance points. Teams are getting the best shot opportunities with shots in the paint and wide open 3's. And when they miss those high percentage shots, they are getting additional bites at the apple. This defense is a mess and it is indefensible. You have to at least be able to commit to stopping something (I am in favor of defenses that emphasize taking away shots at the rim) and we simply are not.
Posted on 11/13/19 at 5:36 pm to 504Voodoo
It depressing. You can literally look at any defensive category and it’s ugly. There no easy fix here.
Posted on 11/13/19 at 6:07 pm to TigerinATL
Great article find. Weird that there's no thread calling out Finch.....
The clutch play is a problem so far. Only 20ish minutes, but it's bad. Same time, given the talent on hand, I don't think they will be great in the clutch when things do slow down. Ingram + Holiday are both so-so there. No one else really has the chops to be trusted. Ingarm has potential to be better, but there's a reason they are called growing pains.
And yet, given the offensive stats 504Voodoo posted and the talent the Pels have been throwing out there, anyone complaining about the offense (other than TOV) is nuts.
The fact that Pels fans are complaining about "set plays" is utterly laughable and shows how clueless much of the fanbase is about modern basketball. No one runs set plays on a regular basis in the NBA. There are actions, dependent upon players, that teams rely upon for offense. Harden or LeBron PnR, Davis mid-post, Jokic high post dealing, etc etc etc. Even those still rely on thinking smart about the court. Harden is a phenomenal passer and thinker on offense.
Would it be great if the Pels had a reliable action they could fall back on when they need a bucket like a simple CP3/Chandler spread PnR? Absolutely. Which guys are good enough to get a good shot and in what action? Not sure how you tailor high leverage offense to players who aren't great in the PnR or in ISO. Maybe Ingram will get there, but he isn't yet. Zion as a roll man may be a game changer; he most certainly will help the ball handlers look better off the bounce.
The clutch play is a problem so far. Only 20ish minutes, but it's bad. Same time, given the talent on hand, I don't think they will be great in the clutch when things do slow down. Ingram + Holiday are both so-so there. No one else really has the chops to be trusted. Ingarm has potential to be better, but there's a reason they are called growing pains.
And yet, given the offensive stats 504Voodoo posted and the talent the Pels have been throwing out there, anyone complaining about the offense (other than TOV) is nuts.
The fact that Pels fans are complaining about "set plays" is utterly laughable and shows how clueless much of the fanbase is about modern basketball. No one runs set plays on a regular basis in the NBA. There are actions, dependent upon players, that teams rely upon for offense. Harden or LeBron PnR, Davis mid-post, Jokic high post dealing, etc etc etc. Even those still rely on thinking smart about the court. Harden is a phenomenal passer and thinker on offense.
Would it be great if the Pels had a reliable action they could fall back on when they need a bucket like a simple CP3/Chandler spread PnR? Absolutely. Which guys are good enough to get a good shot and in what action? Not sure how you tailor high leverage offense to players who aren't great in the PnR or in ISO. Maybe Ingram will get there, but he isn't yet. Zion as a roll man may be a game changer; he most certainly will help the ball handlers look better off the bounce.
Posted on 11/13/19 at 6:31 pm to corndeaux
All true, but still a top ten offense. This with Zion OUT, Favors, Jrue, BI, and Zo missing time, as well as, availability now with Hart and Jah. Thats all our starters, rough beginning healthwise but still a top ten offense, and you need offense in the West.
Posted on 11/13/19 at 6:55 pm to corndeaux
I laughed when josh hart had Marcus William's on and he was joking about how they might only have like 2 or 3 plays going into a game and still most people in the nba cant remember or get it right
It's about the defense and rebounding sons.
I also wouldn't expect gentry to know his rotations by 10 games in with an entire new roster. You fellas complaining about that are pretty off base as well. Hes just throwing shite at the wall right now.
It's about the defense and rebounding sons.
I also wouldn't expect gentry to know his rotations by 10 games in with an entire new roster. You fellas complaining about that are pretty off base as well. Hes just throwing shite at the wall right now.
Posted on 11/13/19 at 8:35 pm to Fun Bunch
Gentry is an easy firing end of season. He’s just not a good coach
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