re: JJ now saying Griff is the reason for tampering investigations

The truth doesn’t even matter in this situation. JJ feels he was wronged, and he’s going to continue bad mouthing Griff when he can.

If a free agent asks him about his time here, while he may have nice things to say about the city, he won’t give Griff a ringing endorsement.

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I don’t see how some of you don’t understand that this is on Griff. He didn’t have to tell JJ anything. Promising to trade him to one of three teams or buy him out was the mistake here.

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Correct.

And the reason you don’t see these instances of annoyance with our FO pop up with say, Miami, who is incredibly aggressive in putting players in trades and willing to move guys to get better is because by all accounts from people in those situations the organization is very upfront about everything. You know what you are getting into and what Miami can provide on and off the court and the arrangement is clear. There is little bullshite and none of the hard sells that involve maybe exaggerating to get someone to sign the line then playing games to keep them.


And when I hear so many reports and chatter coming from current snd former staff/players all pointing to a similar pattern of behavior, the common element becomes hard to rationalize away, which is that Griff talks a big game and will sell you however he can, but will also throw you under the bus the moment a sacrifice or change of heart occurs. And that seems to be what happened with Redick. Redick reportedly asked out last summer and Griff smoothed it over by asking him to give the season a chance, trying to help with the SVG transition, promising him if he comes to him half way through and it isn’t working he will get him somewhere he wants to go or buy him at. He kept reinforcing that position and then when it came time to deliver, he decided he couldn’t get the best return and didn’t want to buy him out, and so he goes to Dallas. Regardless if that broke the spirit or letter of their prior conversations.

And that doesn’t seem to be uncommon with him.

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poor communication and doublespeak.

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I am not saying Griff is trustworthy, I just don't think it's likely that there was technically a lie told or promise broken. These are million dollar business decisions. There's a reason this is usually hashed out with agents, often in an adversarial posture.

JJ went to the highest bidder during his free agency and was sold to the highest bidder at the deadline. He wanted out and was sent to a solid situation. He needs to get the sand out of his vagina and move on about it. Plenty of players have been traded for less and to far worse situations. He was owed no obligation through us to accommodate his request to the fricking T.

Pelicans owned his rights and did what was in the best interest of the franchise by getting something in return for him that was of use. Plenty of flights come in and out of Dallas from everywhere in the states. We could have traded him to a heavily covid restricted state on a team that was at best a bubble team and got a similar if not marginally better return. Griffin by all accounts attempted to appease both parties. JJ being a crybaby bish about all of this like he carried the franchise or had some career defining moment here is absolute trash. He was brought here to be a veteran who can lead on and off the court in addition to his abilities...you dont see Griffin demanding a return on investment for that botch. Sometimes things dont go exactly the way you hoped.

Maybe if JJ didnt demolish his trade market with his horrendous shooting slump the teams he hoped to get traded too might have been more interested in acquiring him

That’s not how the conversation went down, according to JJ.

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I keep coming back to one issue with a lot of your strange theories about this.

What does JJ stand to gain by lying about or misrepresenting how this all went down?

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JJ isn't lying, at least in his own mind. Also, I don't think you're realizing how proud and spoiled celebrities and popular athletes are. In JJ's mind, he deserves to get traded to where he wants to play or demand a contract buyout. In reality he's just being a spoiled bitch and embarrassing himself. Also, why are we acting like JJ frickin Reddick has any influence at all on what other free agents do. Hart and Reddick hurt themselves way more than they hurt the Pelicans.

When he threw a fit because he didn't get traded to the team he wanted or bought out

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There's a reason this is usually hashed out with agents

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Not sure why you’re cutting the agents out of this. JJ said that his agents dealt with Griff directly and that he dealt with Griff directly, as well.

I’ve read many posts in multiple threads on JJ’s falling out with Griff.. And I’ll make two observations.
In all of JJ’s telling his side of the story I’ve never seen where he’s said that he was willing to give back any money back as part of any buy out. Seems I remember Aldridge gave back $6mill with his buyout. I suspect JJ was unwilling to give back any money to help facilitate what he wanted as other players have done.
Secondly, my feeling is a lot of JJ being bent out of shape had its roots in his wife giving him a hard time and not wanting to leave their house in Brooklyn. Understandable with Covid but, again my feeling, JJ was and is p…. whipped (like many of us). .