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re: I tried to tell you guys about Brandon Ingram last year.

Posted on 3/17/21 at 8:29 pm to
Posted by ThanosIsADemocrat
The Garden
Member since May 2018
9395 posts
Posted on 3/17/21 at 8:29 pm to
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Bump


Bumping bad takes is a thing now?
Posted by Bronc
Member since Sep 2018
12646 posts
Posted on 3/17/21 at 8:37 pm to
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And the Lakers got better without both of them.


Holy hell lol

I’m officially less upset about the loss because I like the Pelicans and officially more pissed at the team because the loss has encouraged the worst influx of shite tier posters all year.
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
62134 posts
Posted on 3/17/21 at 9:51 pm to
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Giving him the max was a top 5 worst decision this franchise has made.



nah, Pelican can trade him at any time if they wanted for a good return.
Posted by The_Duke
Member since Nov 2016
4172 posts
Posted on 3/17/21 at 10:39 pm to
What don’t you like about his game?

He’s a super efficient young scorer. Yea his clutch performance hasn’t been up there but I took Lebron years before he got his clutch nerves right and he still misses key free throws.

You guys are really throwing a all star player away cause he missed some free throws
Posted by danman6336
Member since Jan 2005
19492 posts
Posted on 3/17/21 at 10:48 pm to
The situation with Ingram is a little like the situation with Eric Gordon after we traded CP3

Obviously not exactly the same since Ingram actually played, and is a much much better prospect/player/human being

But both were the key pieces we got in a trade for our superstar. Both made the franchise have to choose between letting them walk for nothing or signing them to a huge deal. Both put the franchise in basically a "well we basically have to sign this dude to a max or that trade was a total bust". There are a lot of similaries.

And looking back 5 years from now I would not be surprised if we are kicking ourselves for signing the guy to a max deal in the same manner we were kicking ourselves with Gordon

Ingram doesn't have the injury issues, or the attitude issues, and doesn't openly resent playing pro basketball in NOLA (although you're gonna have a tough time convincing me Ingram actually loves it here either)

But at the time we pretty much had to sign Gordon. And we pretty much had to sign Ingram too. It is the life of a small market NBA team that historically has had zero actual success in the league
Posted by Bronc
Member since Sep 2018
12646 posts
Posted on 3/17/21 at 10:50 pm to
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You guys are really throwing a all star player away cause he missed some free throws




People can be fricking morons.

Kobe Bryant, age 23, 6th season in the league, clutch stats for the season:

35% fg
25% 3P
16 ast
16 tov
38% usage rate
37% efg

It’s almost like you’re kind of fricking shortsighted if you are trying to write a players career and clutch ceiling at age 23...
This post was edited on 3/17/21 at 10:55 pm
Posted by danman6336
Member since Jan 2005
19492 posts
Posted on 3/17/21 at 10:55 pm to
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You guys are really throwing a all star player away cause he missed some free throws

The guy has not been good in the clutch for most of the season. It's just a fact. That last game was just a particularly glaring example.

He's a pretty good player and I'm glad we have him on the roster. But he just forces way too much, and plays way too much iso hero ball in important moments. He lacks consistency. And frankly often seems to not have nearly as high of a basketball IQ as I previously thought he had. He turns the ball over A LOT. And takes A LOT of bad shots. I don't want to get rid of the guy and he's a great piece to have. But a clutch superstar that can carry a franchise, he is not.

Many Pelicans fans thought we were getting the next Durant. Turns out, no, not really. And probably not even a poor mans version.
Posted by Bronc
Member since Sep 2018
12646 posts
Posted on 3/17/21 at 11:28 pm to
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Many Pelicans fans thought we were getting the next Durant.


Durant is a generational, once a decade player, if you thought that’s what you were getting in Ingram that’s on you.

It’s also an absurd standard to hold a guy to.

And Eric Gordon comps in the previous response? You serious? Gordon’s career best was averaging 22-3-4 on 56% true shooting. Ingram just this year is averaging 24-5-5 on 60% True Shooting. Gordon was a fricked situation where you had an injury prone guard and a GM trying to rush a rebuild, paying top of the market price for a guy that remained injured and was going to have to outplay his contract and prove good health to be moveable. You could go out and trade Ingram for Beal this summer, or put him on the block and get 3 unprotected firsts, 3 pick swaps and 2, maybe 3 young prospects. The situations couldn’t be more starkly different.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 3/18/21 at 4:51 am to
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And looking back 5 years from now I would not be surprised if we are kicking ourselves for signing the guy to a max deal in the same manner we were kicking ourselves with Gordon


even for results-oriented thinking, this is wrong
Posted by jprdbulldog20
Member since Feb 2013
20346 posts
Posted on 3/21/21 at 4:17 pm to
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I tried to tell you guys about Brandon Ingram last year.
Giving him the max was a top 5 worst decision this franchise has made.


Posted by Chalkywhite84
New orleans
Member since Dec 2016
33925 posts
Posted on 3/21/21 at 8:12 pm to
I was always a tatum over ingram guy.

People keep mentioning Ingram's age but is he going to all of a sudden become clutch?
Posted by Soggymoss
Member since Aug 2018
17421 posts
Posted on 3/21/21 at 8:16 pm to
Kobe actually had worse clutch numbers than Ingram does at 23 years old.

How did that go?
Posted by LouisianaJoseph
Denver
Member since Apr 2018
1428 posts
Posted on 3/21/21 at 8:20 pm to
3/20/2021 vs the Nuggets
Posted by Parrish
New Orleans
Member since Sep 2014
2240 posts
Posted on 3/22/21 at 12:07 am to
Clutch minutes are often clutch minutes, instead of being down +10, because of BI. Rephrased, while there is some truth to some BI problems in close games, the Pelicans wouldn't be in many of those games without BI. He's imperfect but so are most All-Star caliber players. He doesn't need to be a transcendent player to be on a championship team.
Posted by Pelefraan 1
Member since Jan 2018
6706 posts
Posted on 3/22/21 at 2:05 am to
BI was great in the clutch tonight

Probably his best clutch game ever
Posted by 3PieceSpicy
Metairie
Member since Jan 2021
7800 posts
Posted on 3/22/21 at 3:59 am to
It was a good performance in the clutch overall, but needing 3 ft attempts to hit 1 was a bit concerning. He rebounded well nicely after that though.
Posted by jmcwhrter
Member since Nov 2012
7701 posts
Posted on 3/22/21 at 4:41 am to
He'll need to make a couple of knee knockers to seal a game at some point, to get out of his head about missing those two against Portland

Problem with comparing him to Kobe, at least to me, is that Kobe always got the ball with the game on the line .. on this team, is that BI or Zion?
Posted by jamal
Places Unknown
Member since Jan 2013
12891 posts
Posted on 3/22/21 at 6:47 am to
I always see people talking about Ingram’s offensive game improving. Honestly, I like where he’s at on offense right now. It’s his defense where I want to see significant improvement. If he can become a respectable defender then that’d be huge.
Posted by NOSHAU
Member since Feb 2012
13491 posts
Posted on 3/22/21 at 8:50 am to
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I was always a tatum over ingram guy.

Irrelevant considering Tatum was not available to us.
Posted by CelticDog
Member since Apr 2015
42867 posts
Posted on 3/22/21 at 10:18 am to
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put him on the block and get 3 unprotected firsts, 3 pick swaps and 2, maybe 3 young prospects. The situations couldn’t be more starkly different.


are these unprotected firsts from top teams or bottom feeders?
or 1 top 1 mid 1 bottom.

I'm in. give me 3 random firsts and two decent prospects.
and swap picks twice in next four years.
you get ingram.
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