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re: Griffin to try to keep AD
Posted on 4/18/19 at 12:09 am to partywiththelombardi
Posted on 4/18/19 at 12:09 am to partywiththelombardi
Davis is not signing an extension. He has said it over and over. He wants to be a FA, then decide where he wants to go. Think about all the major NBA stars, who is signing early? Lebron James was just an UFA. This summer Irving, Durant, Leonard, Butler, Cousins, Walker, etc.. all could have signed extensions for more money. But they all decided to wait. Davis is going to do the same thing..
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Posted on 4/18/19 at 2:43 am to Atomicc
Why would I want that bitch arse back. GTFO AD 
Posted on 4/18/19 at 8:07 am to Pelican fan99
I think Griffin has a chance to re-sign AD for the simple fact of AD watching his boy Boogie. Two misteps have lost Boogie probably close to 100 million dollars. All the while, his boy John Wall is sitting home with 200 million rolling in.
If I am Griffin, I go all out on getting AD to sign the supermax. Sell him on the financial security and remind him that we can always trade him if he wants out. AD on a supermax doubles our returns on what we can get IMO.
If I am Griffin, I go all out on getting AD to sign the supermax. Sell him on the financial security and remind him that we can always trade him if he wants out. AD on a supermax doubles our returns on what we can get IMO.
Posted on 4/18/19 at 8:12 am to saints5021
Probably more than doubles.
The big question mark with any AD trade is security for the team acquiring him.
If he signs the Supermax, that means we can’t move him for one season but that he would have somewhere between 3 and 5 seasons left before he could opt out.
Since it is an extension rather than a new contract, I think it overwrites his player option year of 2020-2021 but he still technically plays out the final year of his current contract for about $25m before his new deal of $40m+ a season for 4-5 years kicks in.
The big question mark with any AD trade is security for the team acquiring him.
If he signs the Supermax, that means we can’t move him for one season but that he would have somewhere between 3 and 5 seasons left before he could opt out.
Since it is an extension rather than a new contract, I think it overwrites his player option year of 2020-2021 but he still technically plays out the final year of his current contract for about $25m before his new deal of $40m+ a season for 4-5 years kicks in.
Posted on 4/18/19 at 8:54 am to teke184
For me the question remains how do you acquire that missing piece to make AD/Jrue more than a bubble playoff team? Does that player have to be a Beal, or would another Rondo do? And is there another Rondo out there that could have the leadership impact Rondo did? I think someone like Marcus Smart could be impactful but we wouldn’t get him unless it was part of an AD trade.
Posted on 4/18/19 at 9:03 am to TigerinATL
I'd like to know Jrue's thoughts on this .. The Pelicans spent the last two years kissing AD's arse in an attempt to stop him from doing exactly what he did anyway....
meanwhile Jrue was a consummate professional who played hard every night and did everything you would ask from a leader of the team
meanwhile Jrue was a consummate professional who played hard every night and did everything you would ask from a leader of the team
Posted on 4/18/19 at 9:04 am to TigerinATL
I’m not sure who is out there, Atl, but the playoff run gives me some hope about the possibilities for this team with AD.
Posted on 4/18/19 at 9:07 am to TigerinATL
If AD is "all in" and signs the extension, you do it slowly and organically, for once. You take the BPA in this draft. You maintain flexibility. You develop young guys and 2nd rounders, and you see if you can recruit with AD, Jrue, and (in their minds) a first class organization.
You look at Milwaukee's roster, Denver, Toronto to some extent, and San Antonio - they developed a lot of mid to late first round picks, some second rounders, and made some timely trades. You don't need the #1 pick or need to sign some short sighted free agents like a Jimmy Butler.
You look at Denver's roster or San Antonio's and AD/Jrue is superior to Jokic/Murray or DD/Aldridge. And every player surrounding those guys are guys that you can get with non lotto picks, or in a small trade, or would come to NOLA in FA. What is needed is a culture. Patience. Development. AD signing an extension would allow that. And if he doesn't, then you make sure you do that with the next set of players.
You look at Milwaukee's roster, Denver, Toronto to some extent, and San Antonio - they developed a lot of mid to late first round picks, some second rounders, and made some timely trades. You don't need the #1 pick or need to sign some short sighted free agents like a Jimmy Butler.
You look at Denver's roster or San Antonio's and AD/Jrue is superior to Jokic/Murray or DD/Aldridge. And every player surrounding those guys are guys that you can get with non lotto picks, or in a small trade, or would come to NOLA in FA. What is needed is a culture. Patience. Development. AD signing an extension would allow that. And if he doesn't, then you make sure you do that with the next set of players.
Posted on 4/18/19 at 9:10 am to Crewz
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AD/Jrue is superior to Jokic/Murray
I'd say this is a lot closer than most people would admit.
Posted on 4/18/19 at 9:12 am to Fun Bunch
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I'd say this is a lot closer than most people would admit.
In fantasy basketball maybe.
Posted on 4/18/19 at 9:32 am to dj30
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In fantasy basketball maybe.
If I needed a defensive stop to win the game, I'd bet on AD/Jrue. If I needed a basket to win the game, I'd bet on Jokic/Murray. There's obviously a lot more to the game than crunch time, but do you disagree with that assessment?
This post was edited on 4/18/19 at 9:34 am
Posted on 4/18/19 at 9:33 am to Fun Bunch
quote:Offensively maybe, but defensively it is not even close.
I'd say this is a lot closer than most people would admit.
Posted on 4/18/19 at 9:47 am to NOSHAU
Agree, but Denver is doing as well as they are for a reason.
And this is an Offensive league now.
And this is an Offensive league now.
Posted on 4/18/19 at 9:58 am to TigerinATL
Depends on the speed you go at.
My big deal at this point would be to do a major evaluation of everyone not named Jrue and AD to see who could be a long term piece and who is worth bringing back on a more affordable deal. Some guys aren't worth bringing back at any price.
This does not take the draft into consideration since things could swing wildly depending on draft position.
At point, I probably bring Payton back on an affordable deal or look at a stopgap solution for one season until our cap room opens up.
The easiest stopgap solution I see, given the assets involved, is getting Jeff Teague from Minnesota in exchange for Solomon Hill. Teague's about a league-average point on an expensive ($19m) expiring contract. Given Minnesota's lack of competitiveness at the moment and their cap issues, flipping an OK player for a crap player and $7m of cap relief is something they would consider.
I don't see Teague as a long-term solution as much as something we can get for a relatively worthless asset or maybe slightly more (heavily protected future 2nd OR a very late 2nd like Denver's 2nd from this draft which will be around pick 55).
At the 4-5, I don't see Randle as the solution if AD is staying, mainly because I think the amount of money Randle will command wouldn't justify the cap problems we'd have from it.
A lot of 4-5s will be hitting the market after the playoffs and some of them may not be retained by their current teams depending on how the postseason goes.
For example, Niko could get a ring with Milwaukee and either decide to re-up with them or chase a huge contract elsewhere. Or they could fizzle out in the Eastern Conference semis and the Bucks will have no interest in bringing him back because there are just so many contracts expiring for them this offseason.
I don't want to go full on Lakers and have a team full of misfit parts for a season solely to preserve cap room but I want us to be very smart about spending money so that we can afford who we want once we have rehabbed our roster and our front office.
My big deal at this point would be to do a major evaluation of everyone not named Jrue and AD to see who could be a long term piece and who is worth bringing back on a more affordable deal. Some guys aren't worth bringing back at any price.
This does not take the draft into consideration since things could swing wildly depending on draft position.
At point, I probably bring Payton back on an affordable deal or look at a stopgap solution for one season until our cap room opens up.
The easiest stopgap solution I see, given the assets involved, is getting Jeff Teague from Minnesota in exchange for Solomon Hill. Teague's about a league-average point on an expensive ($19m) expiring contract. Given Minnesota's lack of competitiveness at the moment and their cap issues, flipping an OK player for a crap player and $7m of cap relief is something they would consider.
I don't see Teague as a long-term solution as much as something we can get for a relatively worthless asset or maybe slightly more (heavily protected future 2nd OR a very late 2nd like Denver's 2nd from this draft which will be around pick 55).
At the 4-5, I don't see Randle as the solution if AD is staying, mainly because I think the amount of money Randle will command wouldn't justify the cap problems we'd have from it.
A lot of 4-5s will be hitting the market after the playoffs and some of them may not be retained by their current teams depending on how the postseason goes.
For example, Niko could get a ring with Milwaukee and either decide to re-up with them or chase a huge contract elsewhere. Or they could fizzle out in the Eastern Conference semis and the Bucks will have no interest in bringing him back because there are just so many contracts expiring for them this offseason.
I don't want to go full on Lakers and have a team full of misfit parts for a season solely to preserve cap room but I want us to be very smart about spending money so that we can afford who we want once we have rehabbed our roster and our front office.
Posted on 4/18/19 at 10:58 am to Fun Bunch
quote:Sure they are doing well. Outside of AD and Jrue, what do we have?
Agree, but Denver is doing as well as they are for a reason.
And this is an Offensive league now.
Posted on 4/18/19 at 11:58 am to NOSHAU
The only reason Jrue and AD didn't win more is cause our wings were atrocious. That's all it was. If you added average NBA wings to the Pelicans, we'd be a top four seed.
Posted on 4/18/19 at 12:48 pm to Crewz
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You take the BPA in this draft
But once you get past morant/Zion, no one knows who that is.
I like Clarke. Espn has him at 12.
I like hachimura. Tankathon had him at 21.
If I have 7 and 9 i take them.
I'm west coast biased because zags were on tv here.
I see Coby white getting love. If I'm really a gm I watch his film.
I'm back to thinking ad stays, so no morant. Then need pg.
Posted on 4/18/19 at 12:48 pm to Atomicc
Dell Demps wasn't going to build the Pels into a title-contending team, and I don't blame AD for deciding he wanted out.
If Griffin can convince him that things will be different, then I think that things would be different. Getting AD back and all-in would make the Pels a top destination for free agents.
Maybe I'm alone in this, but I still like AD.
If Griffin can convince him that things will be different, then I think that things would be different. Getting AD back and all-in would make the Pels a top destination for free agents.
Maybe I'm alone in this, but I still like AD.
Posted on 4/18/19 at 12:51 pm to bayarea_ryan
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The only reason Jrue and AD didn't win more is cause our wings were atrocious. That's all it was. If you added average NBA wings to the Pelicans, we'd be a top four seed.
Or maybe AD isn't the best player in the world.
Dirk won a championship with Jason Terry as his best running mate, and a SF in Marion who couldn't shoot.
Posted on 4/18/19 at 12:57 pm to TeddyPadillac
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Or maybe AD isn't the best player in the world. Dirk won a championship with Jason Terry as his best running mate, and a SF in Marion who couldn't shoot.
AD isn't the best player in the world and Dirk won a title with a championship supporting cast. I'm not sure what point you're trying to make. That AD didn't do enough? That AD isn't a star player? That AD isn't Dirk?
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