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re: Griff said last night they still need to add rim protection
Posted on 6/23/23 at 2:20 pm to ghost2most
Posted on 6/23/23 at 2:20 pm to ghost2most
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When did Eubanks become a rim protector?
Hes not, good bbiq, but really a fourth big (reserve).
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Posted on 6/23/23 at 2:20 pm to rondonumbanine
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I know Jonas does some good stuff. He can score the ball from the post, hit some threes every now and then, dominate certain teams, and saves us some offensive possessions. He is also a great rebounder and most importantly he is available. But. His defense, and PnR defense specifically, outweighs all the good things he does imo. At the end of games putting Jonas in a PnR is like the other team being able to hit an automatic score button, which makes him unplayable at the end of games. If he is struggling on offense, or we are just failing to get him the ball, he is a huge net negative. In theory, this team doesn't need offensive production from him. Was it nice to have it sometimes? For sure, but we need other skills from that position, especially because 3 of our 4 starters are below average defenders in their own right.
The Jonas problem last year was really a Jaxson and Billy problem. Willie refused to play those 2 because of defense so he ran Nance into the ground and played wings as bigs way too often. If you had a reasonably priced 3rd defensive big that Willie trusted, then you could only use JV when it's to your advantage and could keep Larry healthy more often.
Posted on 6/23/23 at 2:27 pm to TigerinATL
The idea last season was to close with Nance. It worked well until the injuries hit us hard.
Jonas is still a great 20-25mpg big who gives you a lot of value skills and production. His per minute production is unmatched and you're not going to find a big to replace that production immediately. Until they have an option that gives you a lot of what he gives the team, he needs to be on the roster.
The idea of getting rid of him is stupid. You don't have anything relatively close to what he gives you. The logic should be to add to the position with players who can do things he can't yo balance him out.
When you have guys like Zion and Nance who are short bigs, their rebounding ceiling will always be limited. You have to have an elite rebounder to pair up with them.
Jonas is still a great 20-25mpg big who gives you a lot of value skills and production. His per minute production is unmatched and you're not going to find a big to replace that production immediately. Until they have an option that gives you a lot of what he gives the team, he needs to be on the roster.
The idea of getting rid of him is stupid. You don't have anything relatively close to what he gives you. The logic should be to add to the position with players who can do things he can't yo balance him out.
When you have guys like Zion and Nance who are short bigs, their rebounding ceiling will always be limited. You have to have an elite rebounder to pair up with them.
Posted on 6/23/23 at 2:34 pm to supe12sta12z
Problem solved… . “Precious few players have potential to be genuine rim protectors and 3-point shooters with NBA size at the center position. Robbins might be able to do it, and there is proof of concept in his last 12 games this past season. Few players across college basketball were playing better than Robbins was at that point. He was dominant inside on defense and great outside on offense while also drawing fouls and carrying the offense. His drop-coverage angles and his fluid feet are superb. The injury history is a real factor, and it’s why I couldn’t get him into my top 60. But Robbins is undeniably worth a flier on a two-way contract. NBA teams should go for it and hope it works out.”
Posted on 6/23/23 at 2:50 pm to Fun Bunch
Bring in your 2022 third draft pick from overseas. Mr Karlo Matkovic
This post was edited on 6/23/23 at 8:15 pm
Posted on 6/23/23 at 3:29 pm to BayouFann
Christian Clark just put out an article saying not to expect any major changes this offseason for the pels. He said we're most likely running it back. They want to add rim protection but that would come from moves around the edges.
Posted on 6/23/23 at 4:22 pm to supe12sta12z
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His per minute production is unmatched and you're not going to find a big to replace that production immediately. Until they have an option that gives you a lot of what he gives the team, he needs to be on the roster.
look i love JV, and want to keep him, but we don't need offensive production from our center with CJ, BI, Zion and Trey on the court. If anything i want a center who's simply going to set picks and be an animal on the offensive board. I don't want him taking shots away from those 4 guys.
JV's offensive production is up there simply b/c we actually needed it since our two best scorers barely played this year.
We can't keep building this team with the mindset that Zion and BI are going to miss a bunch of time. When everyone is healthy, JV's production will be wasted b/c he won't get those opportunities to score like he did most of last year.
JV should not be taking 10+ shots a game when we are healthy, but JV is the type of center that will be most productive for a team that needs the center to take 10-14 shots a game.
I think it would be wonderful to send Zion's fat arse out of here and get back Scoot and Markannen to play with JV/BI/CJ. Having a guy like Markannen defensively would make JV a better fit. and you can close with Markannen at the 5 and Trey at the 4. I would really like that team.
Portland can send Simons to Utah with 2 firsts to make it happen, hell i'd give Utah a 1st as well if that's what it took.
Posted on 6/23/23 at 5:38 pm to TeddyPadillac
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I think it would be wonderful to send Zion's fat arse out of here and get back Scoot and Markannen to play with JV/BI/CJ
Griff had the chance to get Lauri M twice for hardly nothing and passed. I pointed this out a few times years ago how big a mistake it was. Pretty sure I started a thread on it. And got mostly blow back on this board. Now we’d have to pay a premium for him.
This post was edited on 6/23/23 at 5:39 pm
Posted on 6/23/23 at 5:48 pm to TeddyPadillac
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I think it would be wonderful to send Zion's fat arse out of here and get back Scoot and Markannen to play with JV/BI/CJ.
Henderson is 6’2 can’t shoot, is a mediocre finisher and can’t draw fouls.
Despite the hype, he wouldn’t go #1 over Paulo, Cade, Ant-Man or Zion.
He wouldn’t go #2 over most of those guys in those drafts either.
Posted on 6/23/23 at 5:58 pm to TigerinATL
MM is back on Twitter?
What's his handle?
TIA.
What's his handle?
TIA.
Posted on 6/23/23 at 6:13 pm to Townedrunkard
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Griff had the chance to get Lauri M twice for hardly nothing and passed
oft injured. and out for a couple long ones.
similar bet as Porzingas.
real nice outside game for a 7 footer.
marrkennan made 2nd team all nba this year.
Posted on 6/23/23 at 6:24 pm to New City Champ
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Problem solved… . “Precious few players have potential to be genuine rim protectors and 3-point shooters with NBA size at the center position. Robbins might be able to do it, and there is proof of concept in his last 12 games this past season. Few players across college basketball were playing better than Robbins was at that point. He was dominant inside on defense and great outside on offense while also drawing fouls and carrying the offense. His drop-coverage angles and his fluid feet are superb. The injury history is a real factor, and it’s why I couldn’t get him into my top 60. But Robbins is undeniably worth a flier on a two-way contract. NBA teams should go for it and hope it works out
He’s already injured lol. Most pels thing ever
Posted on 6/23/23 at 7:21 pm to Balsamic_duck
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Christian Clark just put out an article saying not to expect any major changes this offseason for the pels. He said we're most likely running it back.
That's always what a front office says before a major trade.
New Warriors president Mike Dunleavy, just three days before trading Jordan Poole:
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“With his contract extension, we’re planning on having him here for four more years at least.”
Posted on 6/23/23 at 7:22 pm to Aussie_Pelican
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MM is back on Twitter?
What's his handle?
TIA.
He's using the @GriffinPresser account.
Posted on 6/23/23 at 7:24 pm to TeddyPadillac
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JV's offensive production is up there simply b/c we actually needed it since our two best scorers barely played this year.
This 100%. Jonas dribbling twice and getting the ball stolen from him is not good offense.
Posted on 6/23/23 at 7:27 pm to TigerinATL
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Does it really matter? We don't need an offensive genius as much as we need someone that will protect Willie from himself.
Most of the coaching issues that cost the teams games last year came from Willie leaning too far into defense. Having an offensive coach that Willie respects will hopefully allow Willie to be more balanced in his approach.
In my opinion, the real problem is that we started last season with a real offense, but we didn't have one at the end of the season -- it was just BI doing iso ball. We need our players to buy into the offense and be willing to run it. I thought that BI, after he came back from injury, wasn't following Willie's wishes.
Posted on 6/23/23 at 8:14 pm to Aussie_Pelican
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MM is back on Twitter?
Started following him Monday, by Wednesday I couldn’t take it anymore, dude doesn’t stop
Posted on 6/23/23 at 8:31 pm to GOP_Tiger
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This 100%. Jonas dribbling twice and getting the ball stolen from him is not good offense.
Pump the brakes. Jonas is one of the better offensive centers in the league and his shot chart is another X factor that the 10 Game Trio lack of availability contributed greatly to.
Jonas could very well be shooting from the outside if the walking bowling ball, the 3 level scorer and one of the best combo guards of his era are sharing the court with him and Herb, Daniels or Trey.
Posted on 6/23/23 at 8:38 pm to ThanosIsADemocrat
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Jonas is one of the better offensive centers in the league
100% agree. It’s frustrating that we don’t play through him more when the matchup dictates it.
Even if he doesn’t score much, if he demands a double team, then that’s more than enough offense from him to get the team an excellent shot with the defense scrambling. And if they don’t double him, then let him back smaller guys down and make them foul him to stop him from scoring.
I’m fine with keeping him, but we need two more Larry type role players at the 5 on this team, and they need to be better rim protectors.
Posted on 6/23/23 at 9:14 pm to ThanosIsADemocrat
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Jonas is one of the better offensive centers in the league
Completely disagree.
- The better offensive centers in the league aren't so slow that they are unable to operate in the P&R.
- The better offensive centers in the league aren't 100% useless in transition.
- The better offensive centers in the league can jump more than three inches off the ground and actually dunk the basketball with some consistency, instead of throwing up bunnies that miss from 3 feet away.
- The better offensive centers in the league don't end up with a OBPM of 0.0 for the season.
- The better offensive centers in the league don't finish the season with a negative +/- for their team.
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