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re: Griff: BI is "mechanically incapable" of being traded under the new CBA rules
Posted on 7/16/24 at 12:52 pm to PELsu
Posted on 7/16/24 at 12:52 pm to PELsu
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it would be naive not to think this is a very different landscape currently.
AND it happened suddenly, without warning, and BI is basically the canary in the coal mine for the whole league right now.
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Posted on 7/16/24 at 12:55 pm to SlowFlowPro
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That pick being anything better than late lottery is extremely unlikely. You judge the deal based on the %s at the time it's made.
It’s not hindsight, it’s more than likely. AD and Lebron stayed as healthy this year as I can remember and barely made the playoffs. What will happen if one gets hurt.
What’s the chances an always hurt player and a 40 year old staying completely healthy again?
Posted on 7/16/24 at 12:57 pm to Epic Cajun
I understand what is happening, I was more saying what should be happening. Let the GM be the GM and stop talking so much.
Posted on 7/16/24 at 12:59 pm to SlowFlowPro
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BI still exists and still has value. If the CBA impact is real and not an overreaction, then we can still re-sign him (at the lower, market rate)
BI has absolutely no reason to take a lower market deal right now. Im sure a number of teams want to add him especially if it costs nothing or way less than what Griffey was asking. They will trade off other players for small assets to make room to sign him. Kings just did it to get Derozen. I’d imagine that’s what will happen next offseason. I could see someone like the heat move salary to have room to sign him.
This post was edited on 7/16/24 at 1:03 pm
Posted on 7/16/24 at 1:02 pm to shel311
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This is just Griff's spin on "nobody wants BI"
Nobody wants BI, and thus it is "mechanically impossible" to trade for him because it is illegal to send a guy to a team no one wants. Tada!
100% correct. Griffin spent the first 6 weeks of the offseason planting stories about "Ingram's market" and how many suitors there were. The reality is that his market was 2 teams desperate to keep their current stars happy (3rd or 4th choice for each) and 2 teams required to add salary to hit the salary floor.
Absolutely no one should be surprised that nobody else wants a me first chucker demanding a huge raise coming off of in his own words "his worst 12 months of basketball in his career".
He has shown that he can absolutely not be the best player on a good team. But even more problematic, he has never shown the ability or humility to play off another star. (3 weeks in March doesn't count for much when you're asking for 200 million.)
Griffin has always been Ingram's biggest fan in the NBA and 4/160 is significantly better than he would have gotten in free agency coming off of temper tantrums and g league performances. Ingram can either accept being a role player on a talented team, or he can be next year's Tobias Harris.
Posted on 7/16/24 at 1:03 pm to Townedrunkard
If I’m BI, I would take an offer in the $40’s a year with big trade kicker. I’ve already gone a year betting on myself by not accepting max last year. It’s a crazy game and things can always get worse. Still might not be something we do, but there has to be a number you are willing to take as to avoid the risk (injury/ play/ circumstance)
Posted on 7/16/24 at 1:05 pm to SlowFlowPro
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That pick being anything better than late lottery is extremely unlikely. You judge the deal based on the %s at the time it's made.
extremely unlikely?
He's 40 years old. He's missed 30+ games in 3 of the last 4 years. He's playing in the Olympics this summer, just like his bitch pal AD, who's also missed 30+ games in 3 of the last 4 seasons. and they did nothing to get better this season.
Best case scenario for them is LeBitch and ADBitch only miss 15 games each at most, and they'd still be a playin team at best. In reality, not what the sportsbooks say b/c they only care about getting bets in, but in reality the Lakers aren't a top 8 team in the west by any stretch.
They are not having a better record than:
OKC
Minny
Denver
Dallas
It's highly unlikely they finish ahead of:
Clippers
Suns
Pels
Grizzlies
Kings
I'd bet Houston will be better than them.
Injuries happen, and that's the only way they'll finish ahead of any of those teams, and that assumes they are healthy.
I'd say it's extremely likely that this pick is a early teens pick at worst.
Posted on 7/16/24 at 1:17 pm to TeddyPadillac
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extremely unlikely? He's 40 years old. He's missed 30+ games in 3 of the last 4 years. He's playing in the Olympics this summer, just like his bitch pal AD, who's also missed 30+ games in 3 of the last 4 seasons. and they did nothing to get better this season.
SFP is wrong. It’s much more likely that pick is top 10-12 than teens. It’s possible but the west is tough and they struck out in the off-season. I don’t see AD and Lebron staying as healthy as last year. And they barely made the playoffs.
Posted on 7/16/24 at 1:18 pm to mhasen1
I can't expain why ATL didn't want BI. Seemed like that would be an obvious destination for him in a Murray trade.
Philly got PG, which took a possible BI suitor out.
Then you had Klay and DeRozan out there only asking for $20M/yr. Why would a team pay BI twice as much as those guys? That took away Mavs and Kings as possible suitors.
Orlando decided it would rather spend money on their own guys, Wagner/Isaac/Goga/Mo, and then pay KCP half of what BI would cost, another possible suitor gone.
After that, there really isn't anyone left that's looking to add a max player to their team. Too many teams are looking to tank for next year, and all the other playoff teams are content with the moves they've made this offseason. The teams that need to get better don't have anything valueable to give us, Clippers, Heat, Lakers, Bucks, and if you notice all 4 of them didn't do a damn thing this offseason, and 3 of them lost a key player for nothing.
The Warriors are the only team left that is looking to get better and has some reasonable assets to give up. I'd say the Bulls too but i don't think they care about getting better right now.
Philly got PG, which took a possible BI suitor out.
Then you had Klay and DeRozan out there only asking for $20M/yr. Why would a team pay BI twice as much as those guys? That took away Mavs and Kings as possible suitors.
Orlando decided it would rather spend money on their own guys, Wagner/Isaac/Goga/Mo, and then pay KCP half of what BI would cost, another possible suitor gone.
After that, there really isn't anyone left that's looking to add a max player to their team. Too many teams are looking to tank for next year, and all the other playoff teams are content with the moves they've made this offseason. The teams that need to get better don't have anything valueable to give us, Clippers, Heat, Lakers, Bucks, and if you notice all 4 of them didn't do a damn thing this offseason, and 3 of them lost a key player for nothing.
The Warriors are the only team left that is looking to get better and has some reasonable assets to give up. I'd say the Bulls too but i don't think they care about getting better right now.
Posted on 7/16/24 at 1:24 pm to TeddyPadillac
They have to pay Jalen Johnson soon so it makes sense why they don't want to tie up money with BI especially when he wants 50+ a year.
Posted on 7/16/24 at 1:27 pm to TeddyPadillac
The answer is the same as it was a month ago.
Until he shows that he can be effective next to another star, no one is going to give up anything of value for him.
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The problem with his trade market is that his fit problems aren't exclusive to Zion. When he played on Team USA, he didn't fit with Edwards. He didn't fit with Brunson. He didn't fit with Halliburton. He didn't fit with Bridges. And before that, he didn't fit with LeBron. A bunch of teams may be willing to take a flyer on him before free agency, but very few are willing to give up much value to do so.
People are getting upset that the Cavs and Warriors aren't interested in trading for Ingram, but they have just as valid reasons for not wanting him as the Pelicans do for wanting to trade him
Until he shows that he can be effective next to another star, no one is going to give up anything of value for him.
Posted on 7/16/24 at 1:27 pm to TeddyPadillac
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I can't expain why ATL didn't want BI. Seemed like that would be an obvious destination for him in a Murray trade.
Exactly, makes more sense that Griff didn’t make him available in the trade or wanted additional assets from them.
I think his fit would work with Trae, but would have to add a 3/D to pair with them.
This post was edited on 7/16/24 at 1:30 pm
Posted on 7/16/24 at 1:43 pm to Fun Bunch
That’s fine. Trade CJ then. A) he was the worst rotation player in nba playoff history last year. B) He’s the dumbass that signed off on this CBA as the President of the Player’s Association.
Posted on 7/16/24 at 1:54 pm to 3PieceSpicy
CJ might be even more difficult given that he has 2 years left
Posted on 7/16/24 at 1:57 pm to Fun Bunch
CJ will get you the Center we're all dying for... But that won't happen until the 2025 off-season. 
Posted on 7/16/24 at 2:09 pm to Fun Bunch
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CJ might be even more difficult given that he has 2 years left
Nah, we'd just have to lower the expectation on the return, which we can afford to do when we have Murray/CJ/Herb/BI/Trey all needing to start and only 3 starting positions for them.
DO you think Orlando would rather KCP and WCJ for $35M, or CJ and a minimum player for $35M?
I"m sure we could have done CJ for WCJ, a 1st, and a few seconds, and i'm sure Orlando would ahve liked that over KCP. And we'd have $18M under the luxury tax to use . Wouldn't need Theis and could use that first to go get Maxi Kleber or Robert Williams, and sign on old dude like Robert Covington to be the backup 4.
and that frees up minutes for Hawkins to get in the game and shoot 3's in CJ's place off the bench.
This post was edited on 7/16/24 at 2:11 pm
Posted on 7/16/24 at 2:36 pm to supe12sta12z
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They have to pay Jalen Johnson soon so it makes sense why they don't want to tie up money with BI especially when he wants 50+ a year.
They also had the #1 overall pick and were going to select a SF. So why would they need Ingram?
As much as people bag on Hunter, he's pretty solid and will be a good mentor to Risacher (who has looked decent in summer league)..
Posted on 7/16/24 at 3:10 pm to Epic Cajun
quote:Exactly, had little to do with CBA as the result would not have changed had they offered him the 4th year or not.
They blamed it on the new CBA, but they offered him the same deal as Kawhi, which would've put them into the second apron anyway. Their explanation didn't make much sense.
This post was edited on 7/16/24 at 3:14 pm
Posted on 7/16/24 at 3:37 pm to brmark70816
I think if ATL really wanted Clingan, and had a decent offer to move down to get him, then BI would be on ATL and we'd have Capella or Okongwu.
I think they didn't get the offers they wanted for #1, so they just stuck with it and took the best availalbe, and that happened to be a guy that needs to start at the same position BI would, so now they are no longer interested in BI.
I think they didn't get the offers they wanted for #1, so they just stuck with it and took the best availalbe, and that happened to be a guy that needs to start at the same position BI would, so now they are no longer interested in BI.
Posted on 7/16/24 at 3:52 pm to SlowFlowPro
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AND it happened suddenly, without warning, and BI is basically the canary in the coal mine for the whole league right now.
A lot of agents, players and teams knew this was coming. I think BI was advised of this and bet on himself- didn’t have the best season which compounded the issue. But this wasn’t some random tornado event that no one foresaw. This was a risk both BI and his agent decided to take in the new environment and it failed.
The same could be applied to Griffin and the pels as well. As soon as BI rejected an offer last summer, it was realistic to think as good as BI is he likely was not going to make all nba based on his history. Griffin should have traded him. He also bet on BI this past seasin and his market and failed.
Basically the real issue was NOT trading him last offseason when he said no to the deal.
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