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re: Espn talking Durant to the Pels right now.
Posted on 7/1/22 at 9:03 pm to dj30
Posted on 7/1/22 at 9:03 pm to dj30
There's zero chance of a BI trade for KD. Ingram means too much to the city and the team. He's the leader who buys stuff for Jose before Jose gets his deal. He's the guy we turn to in crunch time. He's a mentor for the younger players. And he's 100% bought in to the franchise and the city.
Zion, on the other hand, has stayed fat and out of shape. He's repeatedly clashed with our coaching and training staff. He's ghosted teammates -- even JJ Redick said that he was sometimes a bad teammate. Until recently, he'd demonstrated very little connection with New Orleans. His "camp" made it known multiple times that he'd really rather be playing in NYC. It's fair to ask how long his mom is on the outs as his nutritionist. It's fair to ask how much of the professionalism he's showed in the last few weeks is a product of wanting the best possible extension. It's fair to ask whether, once the contract is signed, Zion isn't going to again decide that Doritos and Blue Bell are more important that winning titles. It's fair to ask whether he will start ghosting his teammates again.
Zion wasn't a part of our on-court chemistry last season, so it's not like trading him would mess that up. Zion isn't a leader for other players on the team. And the city basically turned against him when he was fat and not talking to us.
Trading for KD puts the league on notice. It raises the expectations for the team and tells every player on our squad that they'd better start busting their butts to get ready to try to win a championship this season. It sells out the SKC and makes a bunch of money.
All of this is to say that trading Zion is conceivable for me. But I still don't like it, because I really think that Zion is going to be a better player than KD this season. I really think that, if we were to trade Zion for KD, that Brooklyn should give us picks back. I think that the sports world is overrating 34-year-old KD by a good bit. I don't think that the NBA's best players last season were (in some order): Steph, Giannis, Embiid, Jokic, and Tatum; and I think that 34-year-old KD is in the next group with Luka, Butler, and LeBron.
So, I'm not fundamentally opposed to trading Zion for KD. But Zion and picks and other assets? No.
Zion, on the other hand, has stayed fat and out of shape. He's repeatedly clashed with our coaching and training staff. He's ghosted teammates -- even JJ Redick said that he was sometimes a bad teammate. Until recently, he'd demonstrated very little connection with New Orleans. His "camp" made it known multiple times that he'd really rather be playing in NYC. It's fair to ask how long his mom is on the outs as his nutritionist. It's fair to ask how much of the professionalism he's showed in the last few weeks is a product of wanting the best possible extension. It's fair to ask whether, once the contract is signed, Zion isn't going to again decide that Doritos and Blue Bell are more important that winning titles. It's fair to ask whether he will start ghosting his teammates again.
Zion wasn't a part of our on-court chemistry last season, so it's not like trading him would mess that up. Zion isn't a leader for other players on the team. And the city basically turned against him when he was fat and not talking to us.
Trading for KD puts the league on notice. It raises the expectations for the team and tells every player on our squad that they'd better start busting their butts to get ready to try to win a championship this season. It sells out the SKC and makes a bunch of money.
All of this is to say that trading Zion is conceivable for me. But I still don't like it, because I really think that Zion is going to be a better player than KD this season. I really think that, if we were to trade Zion for KD, that Brooklyn should give us picks back. I think that the sports world is overrating 34-year-old KD by a good bit. I don't think that the NBA's best players last season were (in some order): Steph, Giannis, Embiid, Jokic, and Tatum; and I think that 34-year-old KD is in the next group with Luka, Butler, and LeBron.
So, I'm not fundamentally opposed to trading Zion for KD. But Zion and picks and other assets? No.
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Posted on 7/1/22 at 9:08 pm to GOP_Tiger
Dear Redditbook
Posted on 7/1/22 at 9:31 pm to dj30
Noooooooo
Posted on 7/1/22 at 9:33 pm to dj30
There is no way Durant sticks around here. He’s going to want out asap
Posted on 7/1/22 at 10:00 pm to Ancient Astronaut
This feels a little like Deshaun Watson watch.
Someone very desperate is going to severely overpay and hopefully it isn’t the Pels.
But at the same time, adding a talent like Watson or Durant is tantalizing and interesting to think about.
Watson obviously has his weird issues, but is young. Durant has none of the legal issues, but is a bit of an a-hole, has injury concerns, and is old.
I think in the end, the teams that didn’t trade for Watson and Durant will be the one’s that win long term and maybe even in the short term.
Someone very desperate is going to severely overpay and hopefully it isn’t the Pels.
But at the same time, adding a talent like Watson or Durant is tantalizing and interesting to think about.
Watson obviously has his weird issues, but is young. Durant has none of the legal issues, but is a bit of an a-hole, has injury concerns, and is old.
I think in the end, the teams that didn’t trade for Watson and Durant will be the one’s that win long term and maybe even in the short term.
Posted on 7/1/22 at 10:13 pm to 3PieceSpicy
The Suns are still heavy betting favorites to land Kevin Durant on
@DraftKings
, but the odds for the Raptors have skyrocketed today:
Suns = -200
Nets = +700
Raptors = +750
Heat = +900
@DraftKings
, but the odds for the Raptors have skyrocketed today:
Suns = -200
Nets = +700
Raptors = +750
Heat = +900
Posted on 7/1/22 at 10:15 pm to GOP_Tiger
quote:Whole lot of assumptions/speculation going on.
Zion, on the other hand, has stayed fat and out of shape. He's repeatedly clashed with our coaching and training staff. He's ghosted teammates -- even JJ Redick said that he was sometimes a bad teammate. Until recently, he'd demonstrated very little connection with New Orleans. His "camp" made it known multiple times that he'd really rather be playing in NYC. It's fair to ask how long his mom is on the outs as his nutritionist. It's fair to ask how much of the professionalism he's showed in the last few weeks is a product of wanting the best possible extension. It's fair to ask whether, once the contract is signed, Zion isn't going to again decide that Doritos and Blue Bell are more important that winning titles. It's fair to ask whether he will start ghosting his teammates again.
Posted on 7/1/22 at 10:16 pm to 3PieceSpicy
That’s actually a good analogy. I was way wrong on Watson and kept refreshing hoping to see the Saints took the risk and signed him. I’m the opposite on Durant and keep refreshing in hopes of seeing him traded elsewhere. The Browns are going to be screwed for years over signing Watson. I would expect the same from the team that traded for KD.
Posted on 7/1/22 at 10:18 pm to NOSHAU
Yeah, I am speculating on why the front office might think about a Zion trade for KD. If the behind-the-scenes stuff with Zion's "camp" has been worse than we thought, then maybe Griff would consider it. That's the post.
Posted on 7/1/22 at 10:19 pm to NOSHAU
For the record I’m not a fan of trading for KD for many reasons but if he’s willing to come here and be a part of the culture for the sake of argument how about this trade?
Jazz trade Donovan Mitchell, Rudy Gay
Nets trade Kevin Durant and Kyrie Irving
Pels trade Zion, Jaxson Hayes, Kira Lewis, Devonte Graham, Garrett Temple, 2025 1st, and protected 2027 1st
Jazz get Kyrie, Lewis, Hayes, both picks
Nets get Mitchell, Zion, Graham, Temple
Pels get Durant and Gay
Jazz trade Donovan Mitchell, Rudy Gay
Nets trade Kevin Durant and Kyrie Irving
Pels trade Zion, Jaxson Hayes, Kira Lewis, Devonte Graham, Garrett Temple, 2025 1st, and protected 2027 1st
Jazz get Kyrie, Lewis, Hayes, both picks
Nets get Mitchell, Zion, Graham, Temple
Pels get Durant and Gay
Posted on 7/1/22 at 10:23 pm to NOSHAU
I think those are fair questions to ask and can’t be ruled out if we are being honest
However, my gut and what I have seen pushes me toward a much different direction.
I think much of the Zion drama was overblown nonsense to begin with, and that being shy and introverted at times isn’t a character flaw(I mean did we not just have a mini saga of BI ghosting CJ cause he wanted to chill out by himself for a little bit?? I wouldn’t call that a critical character flaw, some people just need their personal space and alone time). And that the reality is Zion was young, going through a dark time with the injury, and by all accounts genuinely loves his teammates and the situation NO is poised to be in.
I would very much like to see how this plays out, even though I do, in the back of my mind, have some concerns that Zion/BI will grow into a mini Kobe/Shaq dynamic. I personally would not want us to blow up the team to bring in KD. Even though it probably is the most sure fire way this team could win a championship
However, my gut and what I have seen pushes me toward a much different direction.
I think much of the Zion drama was overblown nonsense to begin with, and that being shy and introverted at times isn’t a character flaw(I mean did we not just have a mini saga of BI ghosting CJ cause he wanted to chill out by himself for a little bit?? I wouldn’t call that a critical character flaw, some people just need their personal space and alone time). And that the reality is Zion was young, going through a dark time with the injury, and by all accounts genuinely loves his teammates and the situation NO is poised to be in.
I would very much like to see how this plays out, even though I do, in the back of my mind, have some concerns that Zion/BI will grow into a mini Kobe/Shaq dynamic. I personally would not want us to blow up the team to bring in KD. Even though it probably is the most sure fire way this team could win a championship
This post was edited on 7/1/22 at 10:26 pm
Posted on 7/1/22 at 11:03 pm to Bronc
I have a question:
If KD did not want to go to Nola, wouldn't that have leaked by now?
If KD did not want to go to Nola, wouldn't that have leaked by now?
This post was edited on 7/1/22 at 11:05 pm
Posted on 7/1/22 at 11:10 pm to ATLienTiger
Sure it would be an improvement on paper--but how has that played out anywhere for Kyrie? Other than 2-3 seasons in Cleveland with a younger Lebron, Kyrie hasn't shown to be a winning player. And you can't even count in him to be there. At least Rusbhas that going for him. He's going to show up and give it 100% every night.
Ppl get caught up in Kyire talent and potential that sadly will never be realized
Ppl get caught up in Kyire talent and potential that sadly will never be realized
Posted on 7/1/22 at 11:15 pm to LosLobos111
quote:No because we're not truly a player in this race imo.
If KD did not want to go to Nola, wouldn't that have leaked by now?
It's like asking why hasnt it been leaked that he doesn't want to go Memphis or any other team, it's just not on the radar at all.
Reports are yes listed his 2 teams, we can probably safely assume the other 27 teams are teams he doesn't want to go to.
Posted on 7/1/22 at 11:51 pm to shel311
At some point he may nominally open up the destinations but it will be to force his way to certain teams, much like AD did when naming teams like Milwaukee as possible destinations.
He pretty much shite on Boston and several other teams with assets while offering up other teams with nothing to give so he could force his way to LA without explicitly saying “Lakers, period.”
He pretty much shite on Boston and several other teams with assets while offering up other teams with nothing to give so he could force his way to LA without explicitly saying “Lakers, period.”
Posted on 7/1/22 at 11:56 pm to GOP_Tiger
quote:Or, since you have no proof other than a couple of bloggers posting for attention, their stories are false as usual, you are basing your "decision" on BS instead of facts.
Yeah, I am speculating on why the front office might think about a Zion trade for KD. If the behind-the-scenes stuff with Zion's "camp" has been worse than we thought, then maybe Griff would consider it. That's the post.
Posted on 7/2/22 at 5:18 am to NOSHAU
quote:
Or, since you have no proof other than a couple of bloggers posting for attention, their stories are false as usual, you are basing your "decision" on BS instead of facts.
You didn't need to respond to my post. But since you did, you should have actually read it.
My "decision" is that I don't want to do the trade. I personally don't want to trade Zion for KD, because I think that Zion will be the better player this coming season. This is what I wrote:
quote:
All of this is to say that trading Zion is conceivable for me. But I still don't like it, because I really think that Zion is going to be a better player than KD this season.
My post was written to explore why the front office might be exploring a trade. Yes, it's 100% speculation. I thought that was clear, but apparently not.
Posted on 7/2/22 at 7:23 am to teke184
quote:
He pretty much shite on Boston and several other teams with assets while offering up other teams with nothing to give so he could force his way to LA without explicitly saying “Lakers, period.”
In his defense, that mush mouth, ruffles eating, extra teeth having, low IQ mother fricker could only say Lakers because asking him to pronounce anything over 2 syllables is a bit of a reach.
Posted on 7/2/22 at 8:36 am to touchdownjeebus
Dumb question but how would BI and KD work together? Is it more of KD being elite so just put them on the court together no matter what?
Posted on 7/2/22 at 8:47 am to Ancient Astronaut
They are both willing passers and facilitators so I don’t really think it would be a problem.
In fact, BI playing with one of his idols probably would level him up beyond anything any other situation in his career would allow.
But yeah, having two elite three level scorers that can create for themselves or others and both have the length and size to essentially cover the whole court wouldn’t be difficult to build an offensive scheme for I imagine. BI would also go from being doubled and tripled to probably getting single coverage and lesser defenders. He’d feast.
Not sayin I would do it, but there are some obvious upsides
In fact, BI playing with one of his idols probably would level him up beyond anything any other situation in his career would allow.
But yeah, having two elite three level scorers that can create for themselves or others and both have the length and size to essentially cover the whole court wouldn’t be difficult to build an offensive scheme for I imagine. BI would also go from being doubled and tripled to probably getting single coverage and lesser defenders. He’d feast.
Not sayin I would do it, but there are some obvious upsides
This post was edited on 7/2/22 at 8:48 am
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