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re: Duncan & Fletcher would be surprised if Gentry and staff do not get 1 more year
Posted on 4/16/19 at 12:20 pm to Bronc
Posted on 4/16/19 at 12:20 pm to Bronc
What's your evidence that hes not an adopt developmental coach??
Is it Jahlil Okafor playing his best basketball of his career here?? Or K Will showing great strides in his development throughout the year??
Or could it be Elfrid looking like a borderline all star PG under Gentry??
Is it Jahlil Okafor playing his best basketball of his career here?? Or K Will showing great strides in his development throughout the year??
Or could it be Elfrid looking like a borderline all star PG under Gentry??
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Posted on 4/16/19 at 12:27 pm to Soggymoss
quote:
What's your evidence that hes not an adopt developmental coach??
Is it Jahlil Okafor playing his best basketball of his career here?? Or K Will showing great strides in his development throughout the year??
Or could it be Elfrid looking like a borderline all star PG under Gentry??
Posted on 4/16/19 at 12:39 pm to TigerinATL
quote:This is where I just don't agree.
the interested and available alternatives to replace Gentry would end up being lateral moves at best.
1) I dont have a particularly high opinion of Gentry as a coach, so I don't think replacing him would be very difficult
2) I don't understand why people doubt a quality assistant would want to come here, for all the same reasons the job attracted Griffin.
Its never been difficult find willing HC candidates in the nba. Guys would cut an arm off for a chance. So the idea that we'd struggle to find a guy is crazy to me. Especially after hiring one of the most respected basketball guys in the league. That guy wouldn't be able to find a quality HC? I don't believe that.
I believe Walton is the only new hire, so far. So the entire league is at our disposal right now. None of the tops assistants have taken a job.
Posted on 4/16/19 at 12:45 pm to Soggymoss
quote:None of this is true.
Is it Jahlil Okafor playing his best basketball of his career here?? Or K Will showing great strides in his development throughout the year??
Or could it be Elfrid looking like a borderline all star PG under Gentry??
Okafor averaged 18/7 as a rookie
Kenrich Williams averaged 6pts on 38/33/68 splits with a 9.7 PER.
Elfrid Payton has never looked like a borderline all star
Posted on 4/16/19 at 12:48 pm to eyeran
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I don't understand why people doubt a quality assistant would want to come here, for all the same reasons the job attracted Griffin.
The kind of up and coming assistant you'd interview is already on the staff in Finch. That is why I don't think you get an upgrade, just a lateral move at best. Not because I like Gentry, but because I like Finch. If Finch left for another team then you could find an upgrade to this staff.
Posted on 4/16/19 at 1:04 pm to TigerinATL
Why not just promote Finch?
Posted on 4/16/19 at 1:09 pm to NOSHAU
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Continuity of what though
The every day. Yes, the roster is going to generally overhauled but there are still a lot of players I'll be are returning. Most athletes live by routines, by not changing that, in my estimation, helps them adapt to the other changes more fluently. It's not because he's "nice" it's because he's familiar to the players and that goes a long way. I think it also helps be the bridge to the front office. These are human beings with human relationships. We talk about how easy it would be to let Gentry go and bring in someone new, but that's not reality.
Do I think Gentry is a top tier coach? No, not even close. But, I also think with everything else this franchise is trying to overhaul the head coach is the least of their concern. Unless, like I said before, a Brad Stevens-esque guy is out there for which he is not. Finch is the probably the next guy. Why not let Gentry worry about the other shite and let Finch worry about the offense for another year?
Posted on 4/16/19 at 1:22 pm to Fun Bunch
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Why not just promote Finch?
Because then you have to commit 3-4 years to him, while you're still paying Uncle Al for this year. We see how having deadlines forces teams to make decisions regarding trades, Free Agents, etc. There is no deadline forcing them to make a decision on Gentry, there is no clear cut, head and shoulders above everyone else candidate to replace him either, so what motivation do they have to make a change?
You're going to counter with Gentry's a proven loser, but like I already said, we aren't even sure if winning is the goal for next year yet. We hope it is, but if we draft Zion and trade Jrue? Then it will be a tank year.
This post was edited on 4/16/19 at 1:24 pm
Posted on 4/16/19 at 1:49 pm to TigerinATL
quote:But if you like Finch, you risk losing him, as his name will certainly come up for openings and his current job appears to be under a lame duck head coach.
Because then you have to commit 3-4 years to him, while you're still paying Uncle Al for this year. We see how having deadlines forces teams to make decisions regarding trades, Free Agents, etc. There is no deadline forcing them to make a decision on Gentry, there is no clear cut, head and shoulders above everyone else candidate to replace him either, so what motivation do they have to make a change?
You're going to counter with Gentry's a proven loser, but like I already said, we aren't even sure if winning is the goal for next year yet. We hope it is, but if we draft Zion and trade Jrue? Then it will be a tank year.
Posted on 4/16/19 at 1:50 pm to Crewz
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I think the biggest issue is that fans think the coaches primary job is X's and O's. It's not. They are glorified babysitters and ego manipulators. They are more psychologists than tacticians. Phil Jackson wouldn't rank in the top 100 all time when it comes to X's and O's. He let Tex do that.
Spot on Crewz.
Posted on 4/16/19 at 1:55 pm to BallHawk
quote:Maybe 3-4 players were even on this team prior to this chaotic season. Not sure the continuity for an already relatively new roster outweighs another season under a likely lame duck coach (and therefore potentially wasted season).
The every day. Yes, the roster is going to generally overhauled but there are still a lot of players I'll be are returning. Most athletes live by routines, by not changing that, in my estimation, helps them adapt to the other changes more fluently. It's not because he's "nice" it's because he's familiar to the players and that goes a long way. I think it also helps be the bridge to the front office. These are human beings with human relationships. We talk about how easy it would be to let Gentry go and bring in someone new, but that's not reality.
Do I think Gentry is a top tier coach? No, not even close. But, I also think with everything else this franchise is trying to overhaul the head coach is the least of their concern. Unless, like I said before, a Brad Stevens-esque guy is out there for which he is not. Finch is the probably the next guy. Why not let Gentry worry about the other shite and let Finch worry about the offense for another year?
Posted on 4/16/19 at 2:09 pm to NOSHAU
Given our uncertain situation, do you think that we will get a great coach when no one, front office included, knows what this team will look like come draft night?
About the only things set in stone are Gayle as owner, Griffin as head of basketball, and the team being named the Pelicans. Everything else from players to coaching staffs to the goddamn soft drinks being served in the Blender could end up changing.
Writing off a season is not a great feeling but making a premature change has a high chance of screwing up our next few seasons.
At the least, wait until after the AD trade or the draft to push a new coach.
About the only things set in stone are Gayle as owner, Griffin as head of basketball, and the team being named the Pelicans. Everything else from players to coaching staffs to the goddamn soft drinks being served in the Blender could end up changing.
Writing off a season is not a great feeling but making a premature change has a high chance of screwing up our next few seasons.
At the least, wait until after the AD trade or the draft to push a new coach.
Posted on 4/16/19 at 2:11 pm to teke184
quote:It's not like it is that unusual of a situation with a losing team. There is always uncertainty in those situations. Usually the new coach is involved in the rebuild.
Given our uncertain situation, do you think that we will get a great coach when no one, front office included, knows what this team will look like come draft night?
About the only things set in stone are Gayle as owner, Griffin as head of basketball, and the team being named the Pelicans. Everything else from players to coaching staffs to the goddamn soft drinks being served in the Blender could end up changing.
Writing off a season is not a great feeling but making a premature change has a high chance of screwing up our next few seasons.
At the least, wait until after the AD trade or the draft to push a new coach.
Posted on 4/16/19 at 2:13 pm to eyeran
quote:
Or K Will showing great strides in his development throughout the year??
quote:
Kenrich Williams averaged 6pts on 38/33/68 splits with a 9.7 PER.
this. KW got a bunch of hype for like 5-7 games on here and on pels twitter but he very quickly settled back into irrelevancy
Posted on 4/16/19 at 2:26 pm to NOSHAU
Griffin’s last job saw him hire Blatt as coach then unexpectedly get LeBron as a FA shortly thereafter. He’s since said he never would have made Blatt coach if he knew LeBron was coming.
A guy who went through that hopefully doesn’t repeat prior mistakes.
A guy who went through that hopefully doesn’t repeat prior mistakes.
Posted on 4/16/19 at 2:31 pm to NOSHAU
quote:
But if you like Finch, you risk losing him, as his name will certainly come up for openings and his current job appears to be under a lame duck head coach.
I personally would like to see Finch get a shot, but he's also the best assistant coach I'm even casually familiar with. Griffin probably has half a dozen assistants and retreads that he knows that he likes better simply because he knows them.
I get it, people have been wanting Gentry gone with reason since the moment he got hired. But it doesn't look like that part of the process is going to happen immediately. We finally have a GM who's seat isn't hot, so he's going to do what he wants to do how he wants to do it.
Posted on 4/16/19 at 2:32 pm to teke184
quote:That was an extremely unusual situation. I do not think Lebron is walking through the door in New Orleans. Most teams do not wait to hire a coach until they have settled on a roster.
Griffin’s last job saw him hire Blatt as coach then unexpectedly get LeBron as a FA shortly thereafter. He’s since said he never would have made Blatt coach if he knew LeBron was coming.
A guy who went through that hopefully doesn’t repeat prior mistakes.
This post was edited on 4/16/19 at 2:32 pm
Posted on 4/16/19 at 2:46 pm to NOSHAU
How many teams have a roster that is so completely in flux where everyone could be moved or will be moved?
Most teams either have contracts they can’t move, like a John Wall or Andrew Wiggins, or they have guys they won’t move, like a Giannis.
We’re in a pretty unique situation because the only two contracts we have past this coming season are AD, who is clearly out, and Jrue, who could be moved if we got the right deal.
Most teams either have contracts they can’t move, like a John Wall or Andrew Wiggins, or they have guys they won’t move, like a Giannis.
We’re in a pretty unique situation because the only two contracts we have past this coming season are AD, who is clearly out, and Jrue, who could be moved if we got the right deal.
Posted on 4/16/19 at 3:03 pm to teke184
quote:So you think it is better to build a team without a coach's input? Isn't that what Demps did though?
How many teams have a roster that is so completely in flux where everyone could be moved or will be moved?
Most teams either have contracts they can’t move, like a John Wall or Andrew Wiggins, or they have guys they won’t move, like a Giannis.
We’re in a pretty unique situation because the only two contracts we have past this coming season are AD, who is clearly out, and Jrue, who could be moved if we got the right deal.
However, I trust that Griffin has a plan, so if this is part of it, so be it.
Posted on 4/16/19 at 3:13 pm to NOSHAU
A coach is a lot more replaceable than players in this league.
About the only situation where you have a coach who builds the team instead of a team who chooses a coach is somewhere like San Antonio where Pop is an institution. Winning multiple rings gives you that kind of pull, let alone having something like 19 straight winning seasons.
About the only situation where you have a coach who builds the team instead of a team who chooses a coach is somewhere like San Antonio where Pop is an institution. Winning multiple rings gives you that kind of pull, let alone having something like 19 straight winning seasons.
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