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Dumars is about to have assets most GMs would kill for.
Posted on 5/1/25 at 10:11 am
Posted on 5/1/25 at 10:11 am
I really hope he doesn’t frick it up. A most likely top 5 pick this year, hopefully higher, plus 2 first next year in a supposedly good draft and the all of a sudden very highly valuable pick swaps with the Bucks in 26 and 27. No way Giannis finishes this coming season with the Bucks, I just don’t see how both he or the team can keep him. Milwaukee has to blow it up and get the most picks they can for him in trade and Giannis will want to play for a contender the last few years of his prime. Personally I’m going for it now while you have Zion and Trey on reasonable contracts so I’m hanging picks and those swaps out there for a true difference maker at PG or C.
This post was edited on 5/1/25 at 10:20 am
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Posted on 5/1/25 at 10:17 am to LSUPilot07
I remember when Griff had a #1 pick in a draft with a generational talent and a massive warchest on top of it. No GM has ever had it so good. It seemed like a situation too good to screw up. 
Posted on 5/1/25 at 10:19 am to LSUPilot07
Its the Pelicans. Place your wagers on them screwing it up. If they do, you expect it, if they don't, you've won the lottery and be happy
Posted on 5/1/25 at 10:39 am to LSUPilot07
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Dumars is about to have assets most GMs would kill for.
So we should expect a NBA title in next few seasons, correct? That’s kind of what “assets to kill for” implies.
Posted on 5/1/25 at 10:57 am to LSUPilot07
Zion for Giannis and give them their pick back.
Posted on 5/1/25 at 10:58 am to Geauxldilocks
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So we should expect a NBA title in next few seasons, correct? That’s kind of what “assets to kill for” implies.
I don't think it implies that at all. That's a strange way to attack his argument.
Posted on 5/1/25 at 11:14 am to AOC4PREZ2028
A pick swap is only valuable if we're better than Milwaukee. Good chance we suck even more than them.
Posted on 5/1/25 at 11:28 am to TigerinATL
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I remember when Griff had a #1 pick in a draft with a generational talent and a massive warchest on top of it. No GM has ever had it so good. It seemed like a situation too good to screw up.
If our star player wasn't a child and we didn’t have some of the worst injury luck in the league, nobody would think Griff was that bad.
Brought in BI, CJ, Murray, Jonas. Drafted Herb, Trey, Missi, Jose (udfa).
If Zion reached even some of his potential we would’ve been a consistent playoff team at minimum.
Posted on 5/1/25 at 12:01 pm to unctiger4
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If our star player wasn't a child and we didn’t have some of the worst injury luck in the league, nobody would think Griff was that bad.
For sure, player acquisition were good. Griffs, downfall was not reading the locker room and continuing the coddling of Zion. Grace after the bubble ghost was the warning, but the dunk videos before the playoffs should have shown him it was time to cut bait.
Posted on 5/1/25 at 1:04 pm to unctiger4
quote:With what he had to work with, you think that was great? Also traded away AD and Jrue along the way to get those assets and wasted multiple assets on players that did not fit (to get them and get rid of them).
Brought in BI, CJ, Murray, Jonas. Drafted Herb, Trey, Missi, Jose (udfa).
Posted on 5/1/25 at 1:08 pm to TigerinATL
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I remember when Griff had a #1 pick in a draft with a generational talent and a massive warchest on top of it. No GM has ever had it so good. It seemed like a situation too good to screw up.
In fairness to Griff, no one knew Zion would play 30% of his games as a Pel.
I don't care what the war chest was; every franchise would fail if their generational talent turned out to be a dud.
Posted on 5/1/25 at 1:12 pm to NOSHAU
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With what he had to work with, you think that was great?
Not great. Competent I would say.
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Also traded away AD and Jrue along the way to get those assets
Yeah that’s usually how assets are acquired.
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wasted multiple assets on players that did not fit (to get them and get rid of them).
Agreed. He made plenty of mistakes around the fringes. But for the meat of the roster he did an ok job of surrounding Zion with talented players.
Posted on 5/1/25 at 3:31 pm to unctiger4
quote:Agree, but the comment was made as if his moves were all positives. Trading away players the quality of AD and Jrue for those assets is not a positive overall in terms of the quality of players and has to be taken into account.
Yeah that’s usually how assets are acquired.
This post was edited on 5/1/25 at 3:32 pm
Posted on 5/1/25 at 3:43 pm to Pistol44
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Griffs, downfall was not reading the locker room and continuing the coddling of Zion. Grace after the bubble ghost was the warning
All everyone wanted to talk about after the bubble was the stupid piano crap. Everyone here was afraid that Griff wasn't doing enough to ensure that we kept Zion happy.
This "he shouldn't have coddled" crap is crazy revisionism.
Posted on 5/1/25 at 3:49 pm to NOSHAU
I’ve said a few times on here over the years. But the Cavs were behind us in their rebuild and had way less assets than us a few years ago and are the number one team. The core of that team Griff could have acquired.
He jumped on Steven Adams and paid to much in that trade. If he was patient, could have got j. Alllen for the same exact cost.
Passed on Darius Garland in the draft with nothing to show for it with his two picks.
Passed on trading for Spyder off the Jazz when the trade cost was below market when he still had a decent war chest.
He jumped on Steven Adams and paid to much in that trade. If he was patient, could have got j. Alllen for the same exact cost.
Passed on Darius Garland in the draft with nothing to show for it with his two picks.
Passed on trading for Spyder off the Jazz when the trade cost was below market when he still had a decent war chest.
Posted on 5/1/25 at 3:59 pm to Townedrunkard
quote:Agree 100%
He jumped on Steven Adams and paid to much in that trade. If he was patient, could have got j. Alllen for the same exact cost.
Passed on Darius Garland in the draft with nothing to show for it with his two picks.
Posted on 5/1/25 at 4:09 pm to GOP_Tiger
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This "he shouldn't have coddled" crap is crazy revisionism.
Huh?
Yes, this is all revisionism! You think we're supposed to have one opinion and keep it forever, even when we learn of new facts? What a terrible way to live your life!
It is clear that the "coddle Zion" approach failed. Those of us who endorsed that approach were wrong - just like Griff was. But none of us got paid millions of dollars to choose the right approach. Griff failed. And he should be criticized for it.
This post was edited on 5/1/25 at 4:10 pm
Posted on 5/1/25 at 4:10 pm to GOP_Tiger
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This "he shouldn't have coddled" crap is crazy revisionism.
Let's expand on this. Griff got Aaron Nelson to play bad cop, and what did that accomplish? When Nelson put pressure on Zion to get his body in shape, did this board side with Nelson or did it side with Zion?
Posted on 5/1/25 at 4:14 pm to AOC4PREZ2028
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It is clear that the "coddle Zion" approach failed. Those of us who endorsed that approach were wrong - just like Griff was. But none of us got paid millions of dollars to choose the right approach. Griff failed. And he should be criticized for it.
No no no. Griff mostly didn't have a choice. It's the problem we have as a small market. If Zion, at any point in his first three seasons, had indicated in any way that he was unhappy or maybe was thinking he'd be better off somewhere else, The pressure to fire Griff would have been overwhelming.
To a very significant extent, he had to coddle Zion. Stars have tremendous power, especially in small markets.
Posted on 5/1/25 at 4:16 pm to GOP_Tiger
Yeah, I've never gotten the claims of coddling. The team and Zion's camp were basically in a blood feud for a year or 2. The team chose to stop Zion from advancing his rehab to teach him a lesson rather than let him play his way into shape and make the Playin.
Did they demand respect the way we think someone like Riley would be able do? No, but that's not the same thing as coddling.
To me the "where it all went wrong" moment in the Griff era was picking Ingram over SVG. I'm not saying Stan was a great coach, but I also don't think it's a coincidence that 2 old school, hard asses seem to have gotten the most out of Zion. I would hope someone as old school as Joe Dumars recognizes that. Neither Willie or Borrego are the coaches you need if they are keeping Zion.
Did they demand respect the way we think someone like Riley would be able do? No, but that's not the same thing as coddling.
To me the "where it all went wrong" moment in the Griff era was picking Ingram over SVG. I'm not saying Stan was a great coach, but I also don't think it's a coincidence that 2 old school, hard asses seem to have gotten the most out of Zion. I would hope someone as old school as Joe Dumars recognizes that. Neither Willie or Borrego are the coaches you need if they are keeping Zion.
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