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re: David Griffin loves Brandon Ingram; 'several' within Pelicans loved Lakers' original offer
Posted on 6/6/19 at 10:13 am to teke184
Posted on 6/6/19 at 10:13 am to teke184
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mainly because that isn’t much time to figure out if he fits and if his health will hold up.
They do scout these players and talk to people who know them. If you're moving Davis for anyone, you have a feeling they will fit. Could be wrong, but it's not a blind shot.
The health is trickier. But, again, they have medical records and do their own internal evaluations before signing off on a trade.
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Posted on 6/6/19 at 10:16 am to TeddyPadillac
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maybe. But why would we draft someone, assuming we had a pick in the 4-7 range, that has very little chance of ever becoming anything more than a role player?
who said anything about 4-7. I was more looking at the pool of players available in the 8-12 range. (i'm dreaming of the ATL trade right now)
Posted on 6/6/19 at 10:16 am to Chad504boy
i was dreaming about the Lakers trade.
Posted on 6/6/19 at 10:18 am to TeddyPadillac
4... i lean to Culver most. Garland next.
Posted on 6/6/19 at 10:20 am to Chad504boy
Same here.
I like Culver, and i like Coby White.
I'd love to do a Lakers trade where Lonzo gets us the 6th pick and we get Culver and White.
I like Culver, and i like Coby White.
I'd love to do a Lakers trade where Lonzo gets us the 6th pick and we get Culver and White.
Posted on 6/6/19 at 10:23 am to TeddyPadillac
I would not give up on Ball. He is a very good defender. A pass first Point guard that will look to get the ball to Williamson early and often. At this point the trade I keep seeing doesn’t even include Ball.
Posted on 6/6/19 at 10:33 am to VA LSU fan
quote:If it did not, it would be because he was moved for another asset. I doubt the Lakers get AD on the cheap.
At this point the trade I keep seeing doesn’t even include Ball.
Posted on 6/6/19 at 10:34 am to NOSHAU
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I doubt the Lakers get AD on the cheap.
Don't go to the Lakers subreddit.
THEY ARE DESPERATE NOW! They may just give him to us for this all to end!
Posted on 6/6/19 at 10:51 am to Fun Bunch
Can’t wait until AD goes elsewhere and then the Lakers throw a ton of money at Cousins and some other fourth tier talent.
Posted on 6/6/19 at 11:15 am to corndeaux
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ou're saying that trading for Ingram is a negative for the Pels because they only have one year of his rookie deal before deciding what to do.
Then you are saying that Tatum is the better target because the Pels can trade him on his rookie deal for the 20/21 season if they don't like him.
By your own logic, that doesn't make any sense. Tatum's contract status at that point would be identical to Ingram's now plus he would be on his 3rd team in 4 years after a disappointing season in NO.
Agreed. If it came to trading Tatum that would mean his value would have diminished. But at least we'd get something for him over letting him walk. However, that isn't really my issue when comparing the contract years for Ingram/Tatum. My issue is the lost cap space that comes with signing Ingram to a max after next year (which is way more likely than us letting him walk).
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Extra year is nice, but wouldn't be a deciding factor for me at all. The only question: which package/player offers the best chance of building a team around Zion that can be a consistent winner? Tatum can be the answer. Ingram. Barrett. Whoever, but that has to be target. Not a Dempsian model of "acquire a player as an asset to be moved later"
With Tatum we have more cap space to build a team around Zion. I think both Tatum and Ingram have the same shot (decent chance but not a lock) at becoming a perennial all star. So why not go the route where you have more years to make more moves? You're accelerating your timeline to be a contender with Ingram.
Posted on 6/6/19 at 11:21 am to TeddyPadillac
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I don't get the concern with having to pay someone. Are you guys under some impression that we can have some rookie contracts and have cap space and sign some big FA? I could care less about the salary cap going forward. We will always be a team that needs to acquire talent thorugh the draft and trade, no FA, so what's the big deal in having to pay Ingram a year sooner than Tatum?
You should always care about the salary cap. Just because we will never sign a KD type of player in FA doesn't mean cap space isn't valuable. It allows you to fill out your roster, sign decent starters, gives you flexibility in trades, etc. We could easily make an additional move or two with that cap space next summer. Now, if you value Ingram way more than you value Tatum, then yeah go get him and pay him. But I personally see them as a wash at this point (maybe with a slight edge to Tatum). So I'd prefer to go with the guy on the cheaper deal for an extra year who helped take a team to a conference finals.
This post was edited on 6/6/19 at 11:23 am
Posted on 6/6/19 at 11:48 am to Hazelnut
If you guys had to guess right now, what team ends up with AD?
Posted on 6/6/19 at 11:49 am to Hazelnut
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But at least we'd get something for him over letting him walk.
That isn't the only option if you don't want to pay a RFA. You can trade Ingram (or Tatum or whomever) and get something in return.
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My issue is the lost cap space that comes with signing Ingram to a max after next year
If he's worth it, it isn't "lost" cap space. There are a dozen other players that impact the cap too.
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why not go the route where you have more years to make more moves?
You are giving yourself one extra year, not years. They can still make moves if there is an Ingram extension.
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You're accelerating your timeline to be a contender with Ingram
That could be the case, but extending Ingram doesn't guarantee that. For example, they can trade Holiday to free up space or gain other assets. They are still on the timeline of an early 20s Zion and a mid 20s Ingram if this happens.
Once more, the goal is to get the best player(s)/picks possible from a Davis deal. If they believe that is Ingram, the extension timeline is immaterial. If it's Tatum, same thing.
Posted on 6/6/19 at 11:55 am to jamal
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If you guys had to guess right now, what team ends up with AD?
Lakers. B/c i don't believe Boston is goign to give us everythign we want and the Lakers will.
That also implies that we have a guy we really want to take with the 4th pick. If we don't, and same with a Knicks deal for Barrett, then their deals become much less attractive even compared to a Boston offer that is less than expected.
This post was edited on 6/6/19 at 12:07 pm
Posted on 6/6/19 at 12:02 pm to jamal
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If you guys had to guess right now, what team ends up with AD?
I'd say Lakers, because I don't know if Boston is going to include Tatum, Brown, and the Memphis pick. And if they only include Tatum and Memphis pick, the Lakers deal might be more appealing to Griffin and the FO. Boston has to know there is no deal without including Tatum, so I don't think Tatum will be the sticking point in that deal. It's going to be the other assets.
Who knows what the FO thinks regarding Tatum and Ingram?
Posted on 6/6/19 at 12:19 pm to corndeaux
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If he's worth it, it isn't "lost" cap space. There are a dozen other players that impact the cap too.
I agree. And like I said in a few posts before, if you value him enough then go get him.
I get the point you're making and I wouldn't hate the lakers deal if we did it. It just gives me heartburn that we are set to extend Ingram (who I don't particularly love personally) after one year. But, the guys running this team (and many of you that post on here) have way more basketball knowledge than I do so I will be on board with whatever Griffin and Co decide. It's just that at this juncture I prefer the Celtics package.
Posted on 6/6/19 at 12:37 pm to Epic Cajun
quote:Yeah, I struggle with whether Boston will give everything or not, but I have to believe they know Tatum is a must. There is so much push in the media to get AD to the Lakers and the discussions about how Gentry would love Ball next to Holiday and that Griffin loves Ingram almost seems like a negotiating ploy. It makes me wonder if Griffin and staff are doing all they can to draw as much as they can from Ainge. I am sure Ainge already knows what his max is, so could get interesting.
I'd say Lakers, because I don't know if Boston is going to include Tatum, Brown, and the Memphis pick. And if they only include Tatum and Memphis pick, the Lakers deal might be more appealing to Griffin and the FO. Boston has to know there is no deal without including Tatum, so I don't think Tatum will be the sticking point in that deal. It's going to be the other assets.
Who knows what the FO thinks regarding Tatum and Ingram?
Posted on 6/6/19 at 9:51 pm to NOSHAU
Not sure how we're feeling about Fletch and his sources these days but:
No Brown or Memphis pick mentioned which is what I've kind of always felt Ainge would try to hold back.
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Fletcher Mackel @FletcherWDSU 1 minute ago
NBA source (who I trust a lot) told me tonight he thinks Boston is landing spot for Anthony Davis.
Says Tatum is player NOLA covets most.
Tatum, Smart (who @PelicansNBA also really like), filler (Williams, Ojeyele or Yabusele) & at least pick #14 this year.
I. Love. It!
No Brown or Memphis pick mentioned which is what I've kind of always felt Ainge would try to hold back.
This post was edited on 6/6/19 at 9:52 pm
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