re: David Griffin loves Brandon Ingram; 'several' within Pelicans loved Lakers' original offer

I woke up at 4am thinking about work and couldn't get back to sleep so I'm fricking tired already at 9:30.

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So with this lakers trade our core after next season will be:

Lonzo
Jrue
Ingram (Maxed out)
Zion

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A lakers trade from me would never include getting Lonzo.

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with the #4 pick who will likely be no better than a role player (which isn't necessarily a bad thing but that's the reality)

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Here's some history of what each picks chances are of becoming a star/role player are. It was compiled from 1989 to 2008 drafts, so its a bit dated. This one is a more recent, and shows the % chance of getting an allstar from picks 1-8, from 1980 to 2015. I'll post the data since it's a slide show.
1 - 77%
2 - 34%
3 - 49%
4 - 29%
5 - 31%
6 - 20%
7 - 20%
8 - 11%
When i said 10%, that was just me looking at picks 4-7 for the last 10 years. When i say star, i mean Steph Curry Damian Lillard superstar. there were plenty of other good players in there. I'ts not like it was 10% superstar or bust.


I don't get the concern with having to pay someone. Are you guys under some impression that we can have some rookie contracts and have cap space and sign some big FA? I could care less about the salary cap going forward. We will always be a team that needs to acquire talent thorugh the draft and trade, no FA, so what's the big deal in having to pay Ingram a year sooner than Tatum?

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The truth is GMs all of the time prove that they value completely different things than fans and know significantly more. The PG/Oladipo trade was laughed at by fans.

So while I'm still going to actively participate in discussions and have my own opinions, the truth is I don't know shite, nor does anyone else here. So no matter what the trade is I'll just see how it goes.

I just want it all to be over with.

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Feel the same way. completely agree.

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If there was ever a time for us to sit back and watch and not feel the need to second guess the team, it's now.

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Yup, I do agree...but David Griffin is the one that pushed for Anthony Bennett. So he is very far from infallible and championed one of the biggest NBA busts of all time.

So while we need to trust them, no one is above second guessing or criticism.

But as of now, strictly with the Pelicans, I think they deserve our trust.

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Yup, I do agree...but David Griffin is the one that pushed for Anthony Bennett. So he is very far from infallible and championed one of the biggest NBA busts of all time.

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I won't forget that, but i will give him the benefit of the doubt b/c that was one of the worst drafts of all time. Any pick he made at #1 was going to be a bust more than likely. There's never been a draft where no one had any idea who the first pick would be. If there isnt' a clear cut favorite, there's at least 2 guys you can confidently say i'd take them #1. There was no #1 pick in that draft, not looking at hindsight for Giannis at 15.

I'm excited for the future of whatever we get, much like the excitement i had to make a 1st round pick when we got Buddy. It's a feeling we haven't had too often, the prospect of making a 1st round draft pick.

He played next to two all world players so he had a ton of open looks and was not particularly good. He shot 35% from the floor, in college. That's really bad. He took a REALLY high volume of 3s (7.4) and made 33%. That's not terrible but the overall FG% for a guy with his size is really shitty.

From what I've read a lot of teams are really low on him. As I said earlier I'm a complete amateur but I watched Duke play a LOT this past year and he looked pretty shitty to me. As with anything, we will see.

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On top of all that, while he is defending the Lakers deal, many of his statements about it seem to be couched in "Griffin likes this" language. Maybe this is all misinformation to push the Celtics, but it sounds like Griffin has liked Ingram for a long time so it just might be true.

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I have some of the same theories. I had made a post last week talking about how around this time even those with real deal rock solid sources who are normally spot on, are being fed false info OR being told what to put out there for leverage purposes. Because we're not the only people that look to see what people are saying on msg boards. Nba people keep an eye on everything to. Figure out who has legit inside info and keep an eye on them.

And the thing that makes me wonder about what Crews has been saying is that he's a smart guy. Would he really put out 100% real deal info about Griffin's thought process and which way he's leaning at a time when leverage is EVERYTHING in these negotiations? So like I said, maybe he's getting fed false info, or he's being told what to put out there because they know people know Crewz has legit sources. Everything is a poker game right now so it's hard to figure out what's real and what's not.

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I have some of the same theories. I had made a post last week talking about how around this time even those with real deal rock solid sources who are normally spot on, are being fed false info OR being told what to put out there for leverage purposes. Because we're not the only people that look to see what people are saying on msg boards. Nba people keep an eye on everything to. Figure out who has legit inside info and keep an eye on them.

And the thing that makes me wonder about what Crews has been saying is that he's a smart guy. Would he really put out 100% real deal info about Griffin's thought process and which way he's leaning at a time when leverage is EVERYTHING in these negotiations? So like I said, maybe he's getting fed false info, or he's being told what to put out there because they know people know Crewz has legit sources. Everything is a poker game right now so it's hard to figure out what's real and what's not.

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Maybe, but in the grand scheme of things, would NBA teams really look to someone like Crewz who continually changes his twitter account in order to stay relatively anonymous? I cannot imagine anyone thinks he can manipulate a GM with his info. My only other thought was whether he was trying to troll Fletcher into saying that his sources tell him ....(whatever deal MM pushes).

I think Reddish will turn into a very fine nba player. He won't be an alpha on a roster but he'd be a nice complimentary scorer and develop a nice outside game.

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I think Reddish will turn into a very fine nba player. He won't be an alpha on a roster but he'd be a nice complimentary scorer and develop a nice outside game.

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maybe. But why would we draft someone, assuming we had a pick in the 4-7 range, that has very little chance of ever becoming anything more than a role player?
If we were picking him with the 14th pick, ok then.