re: David Griffin loves Brandon Ingram; 'several' within Pelicans loved Lakers' original offer

Kind of depends on the REST of the return for Davis, much like with Gordon.


In Gordon’s case, we also got the 10th pick (Rivers), Amina, and an expiring Kaman who no one would give us a legitimate offer for. (Dumars tried to foist Ben Gordon’s shite contract on us for him)

If the rest of the return on Davis is Hart, the 4, and players we don’t particularly want and can’t flip, a decision on Ingram becomes pretty goddamn important.


I just don’t like most of the Laker players much and question whether we will be repeating history by making that trade.

I get that point. I just don't think it matters. They will have Zion Williamson. It is all about building around him now.

They will likely deal Davis. If the main piece is Ingram or Tatum or whoever, then when that player's extension comes up, they have another decision to make based solely on how they feel that player will help them over his next contract.

Compromising themselves for a player they don't want at a certain price, especially when the team probably will still be in the lottery, simply because he was the centerpiece of the Davis deal is foolish. See Bulls and Zach LaVine.

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Ingram can close games with the ball in his hand.

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That is why i like him. He can get his shot off anytime he wants. We have been missing that since CP3 left.
And by saying that i don't mean Tatum can't. Tatum is still a better player in my eyes, i just don't think he's that much better.

Tatum was literally the worst ISO player in the league last season. I'm not sure he can get off of a good shot at the end of games.

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Could be the fact that they have the 4th pick in the draft, instead of the 12th.

I didn't need Crewz, or some Laker fan to change my tune on a Lakers trade. It is the best trade if we are going after the highest potential return.
Jayson Tatum isn't a superstar. The #4 or #6 pick, albeit a small chance, about 10% going off the last 10 years, could end up being a superstar. No one else is really offering that other than the Knicks with the #3 pick.

The Celtics offer is for known players and has a very high floor. It is a very safe trade with a great return.
The Knicks and Lakers offers have a lower floor, but higher ceilings. THe knicks is a very high risk trade, Lakers slightly lower risk.
I also think the more people have looked into Ingram, and not just scoffed at his "i am high all the time" look and the Laker stigma, you realize he's improved each year and looks like a good starter in the league. I can see him being a guy that really leads our 2nd team, even though he's a starter. You take him out first and get him back in to play with your backups and handle the burden of scoring and creating for others. We should be looking for nothign but shooters in our role players.

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I mean, I get that. And granted, I don't think the lakers deal is complete trash like I did earlier in the season, but I still believe we have more flexibility with the Celtics trade.

But getting the #4 pick in a draft where the consensus is it is a 3 player draft isn't as enticing as a #4 pick in another year. People seem to be forgetting just how bad some draft years can be. You say that historically the #4 or 6 pick ended up being a superstar about 10% of the time. However, I'd be willing to bet that most of those times we knew going into the draft that it was considered a deeper draft than this one.


My biggest issue with this trade is Ingram. He has no more upside than Tatum imo. However, he has 1 year left before we will have to offer him the max. So a good chunk of our long term cap will be eaten up next year with that extension. Also, the second we max Ingram, his value will diminish because part of his allure is that he's a young player on his rookie contract.

Compare that to a guy like Tatum who has multiple years until he is a RFA. That gives us more flexibility to make moves in the future. We can also package some of the Celtics picks in this year's draft for a future first to spread out the draft capital. Not to mention the 2020 Memphis first round pick.


Lonzo is a nice bonus but then you have a team of no shooters around zion.

So with this lakers trade our core after next season will be:

Lonzo (Rookie deal)
Jrue
Ingram (Maxed out)
Zion

with the #4 pick who will likely be no better than a role player (which isn't necessarily a bad thing but that's the reality)


Compare that to the Boston trade where after next season you'd have

Smart
Jrue
Tatum (Rookie deal)
Zion
Williams (Rookie deal)

Whoever else we pick with Boston's 2019 picks (or whatever future pick we trade for)
and the Memphis 2020 pick


Are we really going to have more options with that lakers deal than we are with the celtics deal?

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There is no requirement to keep him at all costs simply because they traded Davis for him. His salary slot turns into something else that they got for Davis. Making basketball decisions for short term PR is why the franchise has been a dumpster fire for a decade

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While you are right, we also have an opportunity to get a similar caliber player who has 2 more years of a rookie deal. So with Ingram, if we don't like him we let him walk. With Tatum, if we don't like him we can at least move him on his rookie deal.

I'm just going to temper my position and defer on Ingram until a trade actually happens and he suits up for us, and we see him.

Too many smart people like him so like I said, I'll defer.

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I'm just going to temper my position and defer on Ingram until a trade actually happens and he suits up for us, and we see him.

Too many smart people like him so like I said, I'll defer.

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I would like him a whole lot more if he did not have the health issue. I do not think he is a bad player. I even think Ball has some very good traits, but also has baggage with his dad and his FT shooting is beyond embarrassing.

I'm just weary of all this, weary of trade talk. I'll still talk about it, but I and others keep talking like we know what we are talking about or we have a crystal ball.

The truth is GMs all of the time prove that they value completely different things than fans and know significantly more. The PG/Oladipo trade was laughed at by fans.

So while I'm still going to actively participate in discussions and have my own opinions, the truth is I don't know shite, nor does anyone else here. So no matter what the trade is I'll just see how it goes.

I just want it all to be over with.