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Posted on 6/5/19 at 3:28 pm to Lester Earl
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The team does not have an identity. How could you possibly know that
We have two players that we know are going to be on the roster, both of which aren't very good shooters and both of which like to get to the rim, and will need spacing to help them.
Are you proposing that a 3rd non-shooter is ideal?
Posted on 6/5/19 at 3:31 pm to touchdownjeebus
Eh, I’d prefer Garland to Ja. Much better fit with Zion. I’d rather have Steph Curry than Russell Westbrook with him any day. Not sure what everyone loves so much about Ja. Both will be off recent knee surgeries.
Posted on 6/5/19 at 3:53 pm to jamal
See I think it makes them more inclined to do a deal for AD before free agency starts in that case. Bringing AD in and getting rid of the kids (Rozier, Brown and Tatum) should actually show Kyrie that Boston is working hard to build a vet team for him to win a championship.
And even if Kyrie leaves, AD plus Horford and Hayward is not that bad of a playoff team. They can just resign Rozier and they can trot out something like:
Rozier/#14//Hayward/AD/Horford with #14 maybe being that French wing who sounds so promising. That’s probably a strong playoff contender and then they can work on adding another superstar to the mix and they will be a top contender next year and beyond.
And even if Kyrie leaves, AD plus Horford and Hayward is not that bad of a playoff team. They can just resign Rozier and they can trot out something like:
Rozier/#14//Hayward/AD/Horford with #14 maybe being that French wing who sounds so promising. That’s probably a strong playoff contender and then they can work on adding another superstar to the mix and they will be a top contender next year and beyond.
Posted on 6/5/19 at 4:01 pm to Vegas Buffet
Don’t get me wrong. I don’t mind the Celtics offer as long as they include Smart. Brown and Tatum. Otherwise the lakers or knicks or another one will be a flat out a better deal. And at this point it is pretty debatable whether Ainge would pony up (or ever pony up) that much to be honest.
Posted on 6/5/19 at 4:06 pm to Chad504boy
It seems like most people haven’t even watched him that much with people on here claiming he is a high usage player that needs the ball, or a poor defender.
He is a low usage player who doesn’t need the ball and makes a positive impact constantly just by passing the ball around. Watch one of his games before he got injuries. Focus on him and watch him the entire game. Then count how many positive plays he makes vs how many negative plays he makes. You will be stunned. Some players have fast twitch muscles, but he has a fast twitch brain that reminds me of Jason Kidd. He can be that Superstar role player that you need to win the championship, the Draymond type player who does everything to help you actually win the game and he doesn’t require the ball at all to do so.
Also his on-ball defense is flat out elite. Watch him and see if you don’t believe me. This is a general consensus at this point and even the talking heads state so..
He is a low usage player who doesn’t need the ball and makes a positive impact constantly just by passing the ball around. Watch one of his games before he got injuries. Focus on him and watch him the entire game. Then count how many positive plays he makes vs how many negative plays he makes. You will be stunned. Some players have fast twitch muscles, but he has a fast twitch brain that reminds me of Jason Kidd. He can be that Superstar role player that you need to win the championship, the Draymond type player who does everything to help you actually win the game and he doesn’t require the ball at all to do so.
Also his on-ball defense is flat out elite. Watch him and see if you don’t believe me. This is a general consensus at this point and even the talking heads state so..
Posted on 6/5/19 at 4:09 pm to Fun Bunch
We have no clue what’s ideal right now. You are trading the best player in franchise history. You have 1 or 2 building blocks. You have a coach who by all accounts will not be here long term. Just get the best players.
Besides, Jrue and ball are good enough shooters to play with Zion. You just don’t know it yet. And even if you believe they aren’t, you can easily work around it, as they are only 3 pieces around a rotation of 8-9.
Besides, Jrue and ball are good enough shooters to play with Zion. You just don’t know it yet. And even if you believe they aren’t, you can easily work around it, as they are only 3 pieces around a rotation of 8-9.
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Posted on 6/5/19 at 4:11 pm to Lester Earl
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Just get the best players.
And you believe the #4 pick, Lonzo Ball, Brandon Ingram, and Kyle Kuzma are the "best players" when factoring future contracts, injuries, how they've played in the league so far, and future progression?
Posted on 6/5/19 at 4:14 pm to Fun Bunch
I never said that. I just said get the best players. That can apply to any deal. Without knowing what other deals are on the table you can’t even say which is the best. So no, I never said that,
Posted on 6/5/19 at 4:15 pm to Lester Earl
The amount of time you have spent arguing for the Lakers sure seems to imply that.
Otherwise, why would you do it?
Otherwise, why would you do it?
Posted on 6/5/19 at 4:17 pm to Dogstar
quote:Are you really comparing both of their knee surgeries as the same? Also, 5 games against low level talent and you are comparing Garland to Curry?
Eh, I’d prefer Garland to Ja. Much better fit with Zion. I’d rather have Steph Curry than Russell Westbrook with him any day. Not sure what everyone loves so much about Ja. Both will be off recent knee surgeries.
Posted on 6/5/19 at 4:22 pm to Fun Bunch
I like their pieces, and they deserve to be defended when clueless people dump on them 
That being said, I like any deal that could include Tatum & Jaylen Brown over the LAL guys.
Tatum alone is my favorite piece in any deal.
Furthermore, I’d rather SGA over any player or pick from the Lakers.
That being said, I like any deal that could include Tatum & Jaylen Brown over the LAL guys.
Tatum alone is my favorite piece in any deal.
Furthermore, I’d rather SGA over any player or pick from the Lakers.
Posted on 6/5/19 at 4:32 pm to Lester Earl
Thanks for your input. I honestly do appreciate the perspective.
Posted on 6/5/19 at 4:39 pm to Lester Earl
quote:I like parts of the LAL deal, but as a whole rank it probably 3rd. I do like Ball, but not because I think he will become a prolific 3 point shooter. I love his defense and court vision. I am baffled at how he cannot shoot a free throw. I also cannot stand his father. I used to like Ingram, but think Tatum is better. My concern with Ingram is his health. I am not a huge fan of Kuzma. I like the #4.
I like their pieces, and they deserve to be defended when clueless people dump on them
That being said, I like any deal that could include Tatum & Jaylen Brown over the LAL guys.
Tatum alone is my favorite piece in any deal.
Furthermore, I’d rather SGA over any player or pick from the Lakers.
Posted on 6/5/19 at 4:40 pm to Lester Earl
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That being said, I like any deal that could include Tatum & Jaylen Brown over the LAL guys.
Tatum alone is my favorite piece in any deal.
I'm in the same boat here. I've defended the Lakers deal, because I don't think it's nearly as bad as some people think it is. IMO, it's 2nd (theoretically behind a Boston deal including Tatum and Brown), with Clippers being a close 3rd if they include both SGA and Shamet.
Posted on 6/5/19 at 4:42 pm to NOSHAU
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like parts of the LAL deal, but as a whole rank it probably 3rd.
I mean it’s the only one with even a loosely defined structure. What are we comparing it to? So much of the value in the other offers are dependent of FA & AD’s long term sign ability with that team.
Posted on 6/5/19 at 4:45 pm to Lester Earl
We are comparing it to other deals in theory. Let's say:
Celtics: Tatum, Smart, Robert Williams, possibly Brown, 14, 20. Possible future pick
Knicks: 3, Mitch, DSJ, Knox, Frank Nk, Dallas 2021, future Knicks picks
Clippers: SGA, Shamet, Gal, Miami 2021, Clippers 2020
Celtics: Tatum, Smart, Robert Williams, possibly Brown, 14, 20. Possible future pick
Knicks: 3, Mitch, DSJ, Knox, Frank Nk, Dallas 2021, future Knicks picks
Clippers: SGA, Shamet, Gal, Miami 2021, Clippers 2020
Posted on 6/5/19 at 6:02 pm to Epic Cajun
The Lakers package was only really lacking another piece when the rumors first started. Now that they landed 4 overall it surely changes things.
Safe to say McNamara is now on the lakers package. You will notice the board to begin to warm up to Ingram and co. “Well it’s not his skill set it’s the blood clot” kinda narrative
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Was watching a lot of Lakers in Jan and Feb. In addition to the two games that I thought Ingram killed us (18-32 for 52 points), I was really impressed by these two games as well:
youtube.com/watch?v=nmE3ZZ…
youtube.com/watch?v=8z-fKW…
Wait to you see his dunk on Mirotic....
Of all the under 23 guys, I think Ingram is the one most likely to average 30+ ppg in a season. He is a 3-point shot away from it IMO. Already has the mid range game, the euro step in traffic and gets to the line.
Safe to say McNamara is now on the lakers package. You will notice the board to begin to warm up to Ingram and co. “Well it’s not his skill set it’s the blood clot” kinda narrative
Posted on 6/5/19 at 6:15 pm to GynoSandberg
I still kind of prefer Boston, but I’d definitely go Lakers over the Clippers and Nets. The Lakers don’t hold all of the cards, they’re likely desperate to quiet the noise of this awful offseason so far. They aren’t going to hold back and if they do then Nets and clippers are back in play
Lakers also have solid implosion potential between an aging Bron an injury prone AD, those picks could turn out to be valuable.
Posted on 6/5/19 at 6:37 pm to GynoSandberg
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The Lakers package was only really lacking another piece when the rumors first started. Now that they landed 4 overall it surely changes things.
I really like the Celtics package (Tatum, Brown, and Memphis pick), and the Lakers package (Ingram, Ball, 4th). If the Clippers had another draft asset, like a top 5 pick this season I would be heavy on them too, as I really like SGA and Shamet, but I’m not sold on the Miami pick being a great asset. I’m still up in the air on a Knicks package, not sure how I feel about Barrett and they really only have the pick and Robinson as high level assets, IMO. I will melt hard if it’s a Nets deal without D’lo.
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