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D. Griffin and the rest of the...
Posted on 12/3/22 at 8:34 am
Posted on 12/3/22 at 8:34 am
Front office, SCOUTING team and coaching staff.
Brav-fricking-O!!!
Brav-fricking-O!!!
This post was edited on 12/3/22 at 8:36 am
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Posted on 12/3/22 at 8:50 am to Villian in my veins
The front office has hit a lot of home runs lately.
But they're not infallible.
NAW & Jax
Graham contract
Extending Adams
The one I'm currently most concerned with the CJ extension.
But they're not infallible.
NAW & Jax
Graham contract
Extending Adams
The one I'm currently most concerned with the CJ extension.
Posted on 12/3/22 at 8:53 am to ghost2most
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Graham contract
Now that he’s in the role that was envisioned for him, Graham is playing up to the contract.
Don’t worry about CJ, he’s already shown he hasn’t regressed any when he was killing it before he got Covid.
Posted on 12/3/22 at 9:18 am to ghost2most
quote:straight bust
NAW & Jax
quote:contract is fine, acquisition cost is questionable
Graham contract
quote:without extending Adams we don’t have JV
Extending Adams
Posted on 12/3/22 at 10:03 am to cgrand
NAW was straight bust.
Jax was passable enough but didn’t quite fill the role envisioned for him. He worked as a 4 with Zion out last year but can’t see the court this year between Zion being back and Trey stepping up.
Agreed on acquisition cost. Problem was that Griff was on plan C after CP3 and Lowry both passed on us. All things considered, that worked out better for us than expected because those two are declining while Graham helped put us in the position to get CJ.
Jax was passable enough but didn’t quite fill the role envisioned for him. He worked as a 4 with Zion out last year but can’t see the court this year between Zion being back and Trey stepping up.
Agreed on acquisition cost. Problem was that Griff was on plan C after CP3 and Lowry both passed on us. All things considered, that worked out better for us than expected because those two are declining while Graham helped put us in the position to get CJ.
Posted on 12/3/22 at 10:26 am to ghost2most
Don’t forget trying to max out a 35 year old Kyle Lowery. Talk about a disaster that woukd have been.
This post was edited on 12/3/22 at 10:27 am
Posted on 12/3/22 at 10:33 am to cgrand
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contract is fine, acquisition cost is questionable
You think? Gave up 13 overall for Graham. You think we could get that back if we trade him? We’d be cursing Griffs name if we didn’t get Daniels with the Lakers pick.
Posted on 12/3/22 at 10:39 am to Villian in my veins
Scouting has been good at some under valued guys. Many thought TM was a steal at mid first. Some thought he was too 10. Jose, Dyson, Herb, Naji, all really great finds and picks.
I think that is more what Langdon was brought in for, to run the scouting and player evaluations.
I think that is more what Langdon was brought in for, to run the scouting and player evaluations.
Posted on 12/3/22 at 10:42 am to Townedrunkard
Today seems like a great day to focus on all the Griff misses 
Posted on 12/3/22 at 10:46 am to teke184
quote:
NAW was straight bust.
Outside the lottery is no guarantee to amount to anything. Getting a solid role player is a win there.
Posted on 12/3/22 at 10:47 am to Colonel Flagg
NAW isn’t even that much from what I have seen.
Posted on 12/3/22 at 11:25 am to shel311
quote:
Today seems like a great day to focus on all the Griff misses
Exactly. And the hits go well beyond the draft and hiring Willie. Swin Cash and TSpoon weren't diversity hires. They were champions and HOFers that have been huge in creating a winning culture.
Griff has made some mistakes along the way, and luck has certainly been on his side in redeeming those mistakes, but outside of Zion it hasn't been random luck like winning the lottery. It's been preparation meets opportunity based luck like getting CJ and Nance cheap when plans A-D fell through. While luck is involved, there is definitely a core strategy in place that all of these decisions revolve around. Including changing the draft strategy to value BBIQ highly as a talent, not something a lot of teams do.
Posted on 12/3/22 at 11:30 am to TigerinATL
You can always count on towndrunkard and Bronc to give you an indepth take on Griffin's blunders. I forgot they existed during our current run. I guess there's not a lot to complain about.
Posted on 12/3/22 at 11:31 am to ghost2most
quote:
The one I'm currently most concerned with the CJ extension.
Stopped taking you seriously here lol
Posted on 12/3/22 at 11:34 am to teke184
NAW is a pure end-of-the-bench player for any above-average NBA team. He's still shooting poorly. Unless something changes soon, he'll likely be on a minimum contract next season. That's honestly pretty normal for someone drafted 17th. NAW just seems like a huge bust because of the flashes of brilliance he showed, and the way that we got our hopes up for him.
Posted on 12/3/22 at 11:38 am to GOP_Tiger
and the (in hindsight unfair) equivalence to SGA.
Posted on 12/3/22 at 11:43 am to TackySweater
quote:
The one I'm currently most concerned with the CJ extension.
Stopped taking you seriously here lol
The number 1 mistake posters on this board make over and over and over is not understanding the importance of sample size.
CJ is in his 10th year with a career 39.4% 3 point percentage. That's data from over 3500 3 point shots. People are taking a 125 shot sample size from this season, where he's been sick and had a shooting hand finger injury for most of those 125 shots, and are acting like his 33.6% in that time is the new normal. That's not how things work. Elite shooters don't forget how to shoot as they age, they get too slow to defend. And that usually doesn't happen until around 35, not 31.
CJ will be fine and regress upwards to the mean in due time.
This post was edited on 12/3/22 at 11:44 am
Posted on 12/3/22 at 11:45 am to cgrand
It’s almost impressive. He had 37 pts against the Clippers. How many players have dropped nearly 40 pt games and then busted that hard? It became clear that he wasn’t it but it also wasn’t crazy to think he may have been able to put it together at the time.
Posted on 12/3/22 at 11:51 am to TigerinATL
I’m not worried about CJ as a shooter. And he is a great piece for this team. My issue is that with the core of guys we currently have he may not even be a starter in 3-4 years. By that time we may need to tweak positions or use money in other places. In no way is he a negative player and he can bring all star level play when he clicks. But it’s not outlandish to say that he will be our worst contract in 2024-2025/ 2025-2026.
Which I mean if CJ is your worst contract that’s a major upgrade for this franchise over the last 20 years.
Which I mean if CJ is your worst contract that’s a major upgrade for this franchise over the last 20 years.
This post was edited on 12/3/22 at 11:52 am
Posted on 12/3/22 at 11:58 am to supe12sta12z
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You can always count on towndrunkard and Bronc to give you an indepth take on Griffin's blunders. I forgot they existed during our current run. I guess there's not a lot to complain about.
I’ve been happy with our latest moves. You can look it up. Was super stoked with the JV trade but I had him valued way higher than Adams. And I was all for DD before the majority on here. You can go look at the draft threads.
I’ll definitely give Griff credit for unearthing Jose and Herb. But Griff has been very lucky his intended moves didn’t work out. If he managed to sign Lowery, think we end up with CJ and Nance?
This post was edited on 12/3/22 at 12:01 pm
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