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re: Could Naji end up starting ahead of NAW?
Posted on 8/13/21 at 10:25 am to supe12sta12z
Posted on 8/13/21 at 10:25 am to supe12sta12z
I know a lot of people want Graham as the super 6th man, but unless they trade for someone like Buddy you need his shooting in the starting lineup. I would think even Murphy has a better shot at starting than Kira because of how importing shooting will be.
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Posted on 8/13/21 at 12:41 pm to GOP_Tiger
Jake clarified today that he thinks that we could have a starting lineup of NAW, BI, Naji, Zion, and Valanciunas.
So, not Naji in place of NAW, as my thread title misleadingly suggested.
So, not Naji in place of NAW, as my thread title misleadingly suggested.
Posted on 8/13/21 at 12:44 pm to GOP_Tiger
That is cute how everybody trys to sneak in Ingram as the SG. That is never going to happen. He is not a SG, has never played SG and cannot defend SGs. He has actually played a lot of small ball 4 and thrived. But that is never brought up. People are obsessed with putting Ingram at the 2..
Posted on 8/13/21 at 12:46 pm to GOP_Tiger
That lineup as your starting lineup has very little spacing. That is a lottery team lineup.
Posted on 8/13/21 at 12:58 pm to brmark70816
Yes. Even though Jake said it that way, the truth is that if BI and Naji were on the floor at the same time, it would make BI the SF and Naji would be the SG.
But it really doesn't matter what order you list people. The real question is whether that lineup could be successful, and I think that it could.
In that scenario, you are replacing a big-time 3-pt shooter in Graham with more of a lockdown defender in Naji. That's still worth considering.
But it really doesn't matter what order you list people. The real question is whether that lineup could be successful, and I think that it could.
In that scenario, you are replacing a big-time 3-pt shooter in Graham with more of a lockdown defender in Naji. That's still worth considering.
Posted on 8/13/21 at 1:10 pm to brmark70816
It’s cute that you think traditional positions matter
The only players on this roster locked into one true “position” are JV, Hernangomez and Kira
The only players on this roster locked into one true “position” are JV, Hernangomez and Kira
Posted on 8/13/21 at 1:19 pm to GynoSandberg
If it doesn't matter, then why does everyone try to do it?
The whole positionless basketball is bunk. Of course positions matter. It's how players are raised on the game and how it is consumed. There isn't a team in the league that isn't built with that model in mind. Name a team with 15 6'6-6'8 "players". That all do sort of the same thing.
The whole positionless basketball is bunk. Of course positions matter. It's how players are raised on the game and how it is consumed. There isn't a team in the league that isn't built with that model in mind. Name a team with 15 6'6-6'8 "players". That all do sort of the same thing.
Posted on 8/13/21 at 1:46 pm to brmark70816
I didn’t say positionless. It’s just stupid to pigeon hole guys who can play all over (especially incorrectly, like you just said Ingram never played SG 
). It’s all about positional flexibility, and we have a lot of it in the backcourt. You can do a lot with these guys based on the night’s matchup
Ingram has spent 10% of his career playing the 2, 60% at the 3, and 27% at the 4.
NAW has played the 1,2,3 here
Marshall played 2,3,4 last season
Graham has been 65/35 at the 1 and 2 in his career, respectively
Murphy is going to slot at both the 2 and 3
Herb Jones can run the 2-4
Didi can play 1 and 2
Kira is strictly a 1
Being caught up in positions and who starts is stupid
). It’s all about positional flexibility, and we have a lot of it in the backcourt. You can do a lot with these guys based on the night’s matchup Ingram has spent 10% of his career playing the 2, 60% at the 3, and 27% at the 4.
NAW has played the 1,2,3 here
Marshall played 2,3,4 last season
Graham has been 65/35 at the 1 and 2 in his career, respectively
Murphy is going to slot at both the 2 and 3
Herb Jones can run the 2-4
Didi can play 1 and 2
Kira is strictly a 1
Being caught up in positions and who starts is stupid
Posted on 8/13/21 at 2:03 pm to LilWezyAna
LSUJD, I think you nailed it, i agree with your starting five and the way the bench will be use, if we don't add any more players i can see it playing out like this.
This post was edited on 8/13/21 at 3:08 pm
Posted on 8/13/21 at 2:27 pm to brmark70816
I might be in the minority here, but I think BI plays best at the 4 position. When Zion was out for the start of his rookie year, BI played a ton of 4 and the floor was insanely spaced by comparison to last season. Also, there are less 4’s than 2’s or 3’s that can effectively slow down Ingram defensively.
We were also like 6-23, but I think Ingram actually plays his best offensive and defensive ball at 4 man. His lack of elite lateral quickness doesn’t matter as much in those matchups.
We were also like 6-23, but I think Ingram actually plays his best offensive and defensive ball at 4 man. His lack of elite lateral quickness doesn’t matter as much in those matchups.
This post was edited on 8/13/21 at 2:30 pm
Posted on 8/13/21 at 4:57 pm to 3PieceSpicy
Ingram really needed more muscle in that season, though. Because of his medical issue when he was with the Lakers, there was a while when he couldn't work out.
BI added some strength this past year, but I still want him to add a few more pounds before he plays too much at PF.
BI added some strength this past year, but I still want him to add a few more pounds before he plays too much at PF.
Posted on 8/14/21 at 11:31 am to GynoSandberg
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Our summer league guys possess more intensity and leadership than our star players and high draft picks
That's because Ingram and Zion are soft as frick.
Posted on 8/14/21 at 11:36 am to sportjunkie69
Your mother is soft, which is how your father's retarded sperm were, sadly, somehow able to accidentally create you.
Posted on 8/14/21 at 11:40 am to GOP_Tiger
Lol, that escalated quickly.
Don’t really get the complaints of either being soft.
BI in particular has taken some wallops over the last two seasons and continued to play.
Zion notoriously, to a fault really, doesn’t complain to refs despite being openly mauled with officiating impunity by defenders possession after possession. Dude just goes right back to work and bullies through grown arse men like they are paper weights.
Not sure how you can call a player of Zion’s physicality and intensity “soft.”
Don’t really get the complaints of either being soft.
BI in particular has taken some wallops over the last two seasons and continued to play.
Zion notoriously, to a fault really, doesn’t complain to refs despite being openly mauled with officiating impunity by defenders possession after possession. Dude just goes right back to work and bullies through grown arse men like they are paper weights.
Not sure how you can call a player of Zion’s physicality and intensity “soft.”
Posted on 8/14/21 at 12:10 pm to GOP_Tiger
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BI added some strength this past year, but I still want him to add a few more pounds before he plays too much at PF.
Agreed, but even at that weight, he was still highly effective and efficient which tells us that he could be a "4" for stretches. Ontop of that, defensively by all statistics, that was almost his best year.
That being said, if we're not playing vs traditional bigs on the floor (Ayton, Embiid, Jokic, etc) than a line up of:
Graham-NAW-Marshall-Ingram-Zion collectively might be very interesting to watch. or replace Murphy for one of NAW/Marshall
I'm saying that purely based on 2 things:
All 4 guys outside of Zion can knock down 3pt shots at 37% clip this year.
Ingram has been at 39% 2 years in a row
Graham has been at 37% 2 years in a row
NAW was at 35% last year (technically both years)
Naji on his last 25 games was at 36%
and defensively everyone actually tries.
This post was edited on 8/14/21 at 12:58 pm
Posted on 8/14/21 at 12:38 pm to htran90
I think you will see more of those lineups this year.
I don't think you will ever see zion at the 5 though.
I don't think you will ever see zion at the 5 though.
Posted on 8/14/21 at 1:24 pm to sportjunkie69
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That's because Ingram and Zion are soft as frick.
Hmmm, try and be a little less inebriated when you watch the games before sharing with us your grand insights. Okay, thanks!
Posted on 8/14/21 at 1:40 pm to Chalkywhite84
Last year, Zion sometimes needed to be our closing center because Steven Adams couldn't hit free throws. This season, our starting center can hit FTs and should also be our closing center. There's no reason to take Valanciunas out at the end of games, as he can hit FTs and can also shoot a 3 if necessary.
Posted on 12/24/21 at 3:44 pm to Soggymoss
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I would rather start NAW, Naji, Ingram, Zion, Val, and have Graham as the 6th man.
So many people wanted to start naw over graham. I never understood that.
Posted on 12/24/21 at 3:46 pm to Chalkywhite84
I explained it pretty well in my post as to why I would start NAW over Graham with Zion in the lineup...
Now obviously months later this has changed due to injury and the emergence of Herb and the re-signing of Hart, but you should still get the point.
quote:
Let Zion be your creator to start the game, Graham comes in when Zion goes out and runs the bench unit, then close the game with Graham, NAW, Murphy, Ingram, Zion.
Now obviously months later this has changed due to injury and the emergence of Herb and the re-signing of Hart, but you should still get the point.
This post was edited on 12/24/21 at 3:49 pm
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