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re: Can Boogie control himself in the playoffs?
Posted on 11/26/17 at 5:16 pm to TigerinATL
Posted on 11/26/17 at 5:16 pm to TigerinATL
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To me the problem is Cousins needs to unlearn the creator role he was forced into with the Rondo injury. As corndeaux said teams are adjusting to him and that's exposing his mediocre (for a perimeter penetrator) handle. He needs to become part of the cutting and passing more like A
AD is running to the rim. Holiday and Moore are cutting either towards the rim or open spots on the perimeter. Cousins seems to just want to do Cousins. To be fair, I’m not sure where a Cousins/Rondo pairing butters its bread. Cousins doesn’t have the raw athleticism of AD. That 3 ball seems to be there anytime. He is crashing the offensive glass more it seems. Has Cousins had to play off a ball dominant guard before? Obviously Rondo was there a couple years ago, but that doesn’t mean Cousins didn’t rely on his 1v1 game or pick n pop from mid range.
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Posted on 11/26/17 at 5:27 pm to ShamelessPel
Hard to reason with one whose argument is always "35/15!!"
A world exists where you can point out a players' deficiencies while still giving credit where it's due. Cousins is leading the league in turnovers per game and only you don't think it's a problem
Like Crewz said, you have been a weak hyperbolic argument here.
A world exists where you can point out a players' deficiencies while still giving credit where it's due. Cousins is leading the league in turnovers per game and only you don't think it's a problem
Like Crewz said, you have been a weak hyperbolic argument here. 
Posted on 11/26/17 at 5:33 pm to ShamelessPel
I think the math of Moreyball is one of the reasons it looks so bad. Cousins could turn some of those missed 3s into made midrange shots and it’d look better but it’d also be less efficient despite more made FGs.
Posted on 11/26/17 at 6:22 pm to ShamelessPel
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AD is running to the rim
that is the central problem of the modern big man combo. Davis certainly can't dominate at the rim like he has been if Cousins is on the block, especially given this roster.
for example, Davis/Cousins combo had a Net Rating of +8.3 over the first month and a -8.5 over the last 5 games. small sample, but that swing seems to be more than Dante Cunningham leaving the starting lineup.
like bonhoeffer and ATL discussed, i dont know what adjustments the Pels can realistically make given the personnel. Kumar had a solid read on some of this
LINK
Posted on 11/26/17 at 6:29 pm to corndeaux
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for example, Davis/Cousins combo had a Net Rating of +8.3 over the first month and a -8.5 over the last 5 games. small sample, but that swing seems to be more than Dante Cunningham leaving the starting lineup.
And I'd say over that same time period the AD Small Ball lineup has seemed to become effective again like it was last year. Although the number from that article say it's not as good defensively, but with Solo out it shouldn't be.
Posted on 11/26/17 at 6:37 pm to TigerinATL
yeah. i tend to agree with his suggestion that they should target more 3/4 hybrids than a 3rd big in any potential trade.
interesting to see what, if any, additions they look to make
interesting to see what, if any, additions they look to make
Posted on 11/26/17 at 6:58 pm to corndeaux
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teams are adjusting to what the Pels are doing on offense. Pels need to make counter adjustments
Maybe we should forget about this novel offensive approach and use AD and Boogie more traditionally in the paint.take advantage of their size more effectively.
Posted on 11/26/17 at 7:04 pm to corndeaux
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yeah. i tend to agree with his suggestion that they should target more 3/4 hybrids than a 3rd big in any potential trade.
I think Atlanta and Chicago are the most likely trade partners to accept our pick for our bad contracts because of where they are in the rebuild cycle. Of those 2 Atlanta seems the most likely because they'd be sending back expiring or pieces or smaller pieces with player options like Dedmon. I just don't think I'm convinced how dumpable for free RoLo is with this center market so taking him on seems risky.
Posted on 11/27/17 at 7:28 am to VOR
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use AD and Boogie more traditionally in the paint.take advantage of their size more effectively.
i don't think that will work.
maybe if they had the rest of the roster littered with shooters. with both guys in the paint, teams will collapse and effectively zone up on them. teams already make it hard to make entry passes on switches; it wont get any easier if they can sink 4 guys into the paint. i would guess lots of of open shots for guys the Pels dont want taking jump shots. and those probing drives that Rondo has had likely disappear then, you're betting on Davis/Cousins grabbing offensive rebounds. which they should do, but that's a waste of their prodigious talents.
this can work because both guys are mobile and skilled out to the 3pt line. there is a reason Davis has taken more shots at the rim this year than any year since his 2nd season. he's also converting there at about 80%. Cousins being out of the paint draws a large defender away and gets Davis those shots.
the problem for me is how they use Cousins/how he plays. he needs to adjust his game some. keep it moving, get other guys involved when it's him+Davis. Davis is just better attacking the rim than he is plus Cousins is a better passer. then he needs to eat in the paint when he's got the floor to himself. much easier said than done.
Posted on 11/27/17 at 11:17 am to Hazelnut
quote:/thread
I don't know but I'd love to find out.
Posted on 11/27/17 at 11:20 am to TigerinATL
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I'm more concerned with his inability to do anything besides chuck 3s if he isn't getting calls. As talented as he is he's looked pretty limited several times the past few weeks.
Thanks, Uncle Al.
Posted on 11/27/17 at 11:27 am to Jester
I think a little more rest could do a lot of good for Boogie. It seems like every time he gets a little tired, he jogs up the court and takes a lazy, bad 3 early in the clock.
Posted on 11/27/17 at 11:30 am to Jester
Crewz is tweeting quite a lot this morning saying Boogie is a big man Westbrook to ADs KD.
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Jrue Will Improve? @SilverAndMac 1 hour ago
What coaches tell Boogie to do is SOOOOO different from what he actually does. If you ever see one of our coaches out and about asked them. Watch the eyes when they talk :)
[asked if guys stop moving because they now he won't give it up]
They know he is just looking for stats and wants the lane cleared for him. So they just stay in one spot, so as not to get in his way and draw his ire
Coaching staff had way different plans in offseason. They have all but given up on those lofty ideas
[asked if the team would consider trading him]
Nope. Its WEIRD. Coaches feel one way. Management another
Look, it's this simple (you can choose to believe me or not)
Boogie wants individual accolades. He wants to make the AS team. All -NBA, etc. He wants to put up stats. When he is on w/o AD, all he is trying to do is accumulate stats
Pels coaching staff wanted to be a better version of last year's Nuggets team. Instead, they are realizing they will be more like KD/Westbrook Thunder
Win with sheer talent and almost no scheme
Posted on 11/27/17 at 12:04 pm to TigerinATL
This sounds more like media shite stirring to cause the Pels to blow up.
Posted on 11/27/17 at 12:11 pm to TigerinATL
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Win with sheer talent and almost no scheme
I don't care how they do it, as long as they win I will be happy. If Boogie needs to shoot no 3's for us to win, or if he needs to shoot 10 for us to win, it doesn't matter as long as we win.
Posted on 11/27/17 at 12:29 pm to Colonel Flagg
lol
this isn't new. Cousins has been known as an extremely talented player, but a tough guy to coach and play with for the entirety of his career. again, every Pels fan should google Kevin Arnovitz + DeMarcus Cousins and read his piece on Cousins.
this was always the risk with acquiring him. its one reason his price was so low- many teams in the league have no desire to acquire him. that a Pels coach feels this way about him off the record is much more believable than McNamara making it up for a twitter thread in the hopes that the Pels self-destruct
this isn't new. Cousins has been known as an extremely talented player, but a tough guy to coach and play with for the entirety of his career. again, every Pels fan should google Kevin Arnovitz + DeMarcus Cousins and read his piece on Cousins.
this was always the risk with acquiring him. its one reason his price was so low- many teams in the league have no desire to acquire him. that a Pels coach feels this way about him off the record is much more believable than McNamara making it up for a twitter thread in the hopes that the Pels self-destruct
Posted on 11/27/17 at 1:48 pm to corndeaux
Cousins has outwardly shown to be everything different than the way he was portrayed while in Sacremento.
He obviously has the support of his teammates. You can see him cheering on fellow teammates with Asik’s return. You can see the way Rondo and Davis talk favorably about him in interviews.
It is clear he is not officiated fairly and it is the only time he comes across as having a bad attitude to the public.
Gentry also created a frustrating situation for Cousins in the Warriors game. Cousins is getting horrible officiating and the Gentry removes Davis, Rondo, and Holiday from the floor. Warriors come back and gain momentum at this point.
I am sitting at home watching Cousins get screwed and see why he is frustrated. Gentry does relatively nothing.
He got a foul when Green was holding his arm. He got another foul on a spin move when the defender was not in position and in the restricted area. These were clearly ridiculous and we aren’t even talking about how they let crappy players like Zaza beat up on him.
I guarantee Cousins would be officiated more favorably on a more respected organization or bigger market. Those places wouldn’t put up with it.
He obviously has the support of his teammates. You can see him cheering on fellow teammates with Asik’s return. You can see the way Rondo and Davis talk favorably about him in interviews.
It is clear he is not officiated fairly and it is the only time he comes across as having a bad attitude to the public.
Gentry also created a frustrating situation for Cousins in the Warriors game. Cousins is getting horrible officiating and the Gentry removes Davis, Rondo, and Holiday from the floor. Warriors come back and gain momentum at this point.
I am sitting at home watching Cousins get screwed and see why he is frustrated. Gentry does relatively nothing.
He got a foul when Green was holding his arm. He got another foul on a spin move when the defender was not in position and in the restricted area. These were clearly ridiculous and we aren’t even talking about how they let crappy players like Zaza beat up on him.
I guarantee Cousins would be officiated more favorably on a more respected organization or bigger market. Those places wouldn’t put up with it.
This post was edited on 11/27/17 at 1:49 pm
Posted on 11/27/17 at 1:54 pm to Colonel Flagg
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Cousins has outwardly shown to be everything different than the way he was portrayed while in Sacremento.
I think he pretty clearly has lost the focus he started the season with. I believe he's up to 5 technicals and I think that's after having 1 or 2 rescinded and is letting the refs and other players get in his head just like the same old Cousins.
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It is clear he is not officiated fairly and it is the only time he comes across as having a bad attitude to the public.
And at some point you just have to realize you're not going to get the calls and find another way to win. Unfortunately Cousins barks at the refs and even if he doesn't pick up a tech it means he's not getting back on defense. He needs to just shut up and play and everything will sort itself out in time.
This post was edited on 11/27/17 at 1:55 pm
Posted on 11/27/17 at 2:09 pm to TigerinATL
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He needs to just shut up and play and everything will sort itself out in time.
Yeah that won’t happen. Don’t live in fantasy land. Gentry will have to make it a personal mission to get him calls. Cousins has already played at a stupid great level this season to get the benefit of the doubt. He has been restrained with refs until the officiating has gotten out of hand.
The Davis and Cousins combo has litterally broken the NBA if they get the calls they are suppose to get. Everyone outside of NOLA was rooting for it not to work and it has worked.
Posted on 11/27/17 at 2:15 pm to Colonel Flagg
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Cousins has outwardly shown to be everything different than the way he was portrayed while in Sacremento.
Yeah that won’t happen. Don’t live in fantasy land
I'm not saying he hasn't been better than expected in some ways, but I don't see how you reconcile these 2 statements. He's either lost a focus he can and needs to regain, or he's never going to focus and everything MM tweeted is right, he's a Westbrook.
I think it will need to be a multiyear transformation where some of it is he gets better and more focused and some of it is winning enough gets you better officiating like you're talking about.
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