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re: Bad contracts that we can trade for and get assets
Posted on 6/21/19 at 11:44 am to Drew Brews
Posted on 6/21/19 at 11:44 am to Drew Brews
Kevin love is a no just so we have a better chance at that Cleveland pick
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Posted on 6/21/19 at 11:47 am to NOFOX
quote:I don't know if Zion is ever going to be a full time center, so he probably needs to learn how to play alongside a traditional center to an extent.
Zion to beocme comfortable playing with a traditional center.
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Investing $25M/yr in a traditional center with how the NBA is developing is signing Asik all over again.
quote:Yes, at some point Hayes needs to be able to start, I don't think he would get his feelings hurt if the Pels let Adams walk in order to allow him to start at the 5...
Also if Adams ends up a huge locker room presence/mentor for those guys, what do you do with him in 2 years? Just let him walk?
Posted on 6/21/19 at 12:01 pm to Epic Cajun
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I don't know if Zion is ever going to be a full time center, so he probably needs to learn how to play alongside a traditional center to an extent.
I am not saying Zion will be our center. Zion is unqiue and probably won't have a defined position. I am saying that I don't want him learning to defend and initate with a traditional center on the floor and then have habits formed with a traditional center when Hayes grows into a modern center.
Look I have had this argument with ADams' fans multiple times. People gave me the same emojis when I said not to sign Asik and instead sign Biyombo for a fraction of the price. And then we were stuck. DO NOT PAY TRADITIONAL CENTERS. A center that cannot switch on the perimeter and cannot provide spacing should be a role player, a platoon guy, not making $25M/yr.
It's no coincidence that two playoff teams with really smart GM's who have recently paid big money to traditional centers now have them on the block trying to dump them while they still hold some value.
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Yes, at some point Hayes needs to be able to start, I don't think he would get his feelings hurt if the Pels let Adams walk in order to allow him to start at the 5...
If he is a popular lockerroom guy, letting him walk will be an unpopular move in the lockeroom. I just don't get the logic of hey let's bring on a $25M/yr mentor who we are going to let walk in 2 years and we don't actially want our 2 bigs to mold their games after him. Bring on Pau to mentor those guys if you need a vet mentor.
Because we have space and aren't trying to win is a silly argument for Adams. That space can be put to better use and if we aren't trying to win then what does Adams provide?
This post was edited on 6/21/19 at 12:02 pm
Posted on 6/21/19 at 12:09 pm to saints5021
This team would be so much fun to watch with Griffin
Edit: A healthy Griffin
Edit: A healthy Griffin
This post was edited on 6/21/19 at 12:10 pm
Posted on 6/21/19 at 12:26 pm to The Pirate King
Not sure how Dunn is on this list. 2 years 12 million is really good and cheap.
He’s a good player. Scores well, big, good defender. Put up a lot of good numbers helps just stuck with dysfunctional front offices.
He’d be a great addition wherever he ends up.
He’s a good player. Scores well, big, good defender. Put up a lot of good numbers helps just stuck with dysfunctional front offices.
He’d be a great addition wherever he ends up.
Posted on 6/21/19 at 12:41 pm to Zzyzx
No one on the bad contract list is someone that you want to build with for the future. They are just bad assets that net us future assets.
Posted on 6/21/19 at 4:26 pm to PrayingMantis
I have a cap question. I agree. Most of us don’t want Love at that contract and length. What would we have to give up to get him? Do we have to send out 30 million to take on 30 million? If it’s a guy with 15, do we have to send them 15?
Posted on 6/23/19 at 5:32 pm to saints5021
I thought that I would bump this thread and solicit comments on the article that The Bird Writes just put out with a lot of similar ideas.
There are definitely a lot of opportunities to take bad contracts, and I really think I prefer this route instead of spending most of our available cap on free agents.
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There are definitely a lot of opportunities to take bad contracts, and I really think I prefer this route instead of spending most of our available cap on free agents.
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Posted on 6/23/19 at 5:51 pm to saints5021
Hell no on Adams or any 3/4 contract. Yes on anyone else so long as we get picks.
Posted on 6/24/19 at 9:29 am to GOP_Tiger
The Hornets trade is just crazy. There is no way I would take on 2 bad contracts for one 1st rounder unless it was unprotected. I like a lot of those deals, especially the Clippers and Nets deals.
Posted on 6/24/19 at 9:31 am to NOSHAU
I like the Hornets as a trading partner...Kemba is not a max guy, but they are going to have to pay him. I think you get a top 4 protected 1st from them and it has a good chance of being a lottery pick.
Posted on 6/24/19 at 9:46 am to saints5021
Kawhi isn't going to the Clippers, so that Gallo deal isn't happening.
If he stays, and Gasol opts in, then them unloading Ibaka is a possibility, unless they feel he's critical to winning another championship, which i doubt they do.
I'd gladly take 2 year contracts from Charlotte for a first.
If he stays, and Gasol opts in, then them unloading Ibaka is a possibility, unless they feel he's critical to winning another championship, which i doubt they do.
I'd gladly take 2 year contracts from Charlotte for a first.
Posted on 6/24/19 at 9:51 am to TeddyPadillac
Ibaka fits our team pretty well.
Posted on 6/24/19 at 9:52 am to saints5021
quote:If we are relieving them of $32 million, I would demand an unprotected pick.
I like the Hornets as a trading partner...Kemba is not a max guy, but they are going to have to pay him. I think you get a top 4 protected 1st from them and it has a good chance of being a lottery pick.
Posted on 6/24/19 at 9:54 am to NOSHAU
Agreed, if we take two contracts. I could see us doing a protection and taking Marvin Williams. If it is Batum, it would need to be unprotected.
Posted on 6/24/19 at 9:56 am to saints5021
Where did this idea that Toronto was trying to dump Ibaka come from? He was an intergral part of their title.
Posted on 6/24/19 at 10:14 am to Pelefraan 1
They were a tax team last year. They are going to be a tax team this year.
I don't know know the numbers, but i would imagine Ibaka's $23M is going to cost them a lot more than $23M. If they can unload him and not take back salary it would likely save them a shite ton of money. With the play of Gasol, Siakam, an d getting OG healthy, Ibaka isn't needed that much.
If they keep Kawhi, it just makes sense from a financial standpoint, that's where it comes from.
Tax is at $132M.
Raptors have $112M in salaries and are about to sign Kawhi to an additional $40M/yr. You do the math on why it would be really dumb to keep Ibaka.
I don't know know the numbers, but i would imagine Ibaka's $23M is going to cost them a lot more than $23M. If they can unload him and not take back salary it would likely save them a shite ton of money. With the play of Gasol, Siakam, an d getting OG healthy, Ibaka isn't needed that much.
If they keep Kawhi, it just makes sense from a financial standpoint, that's where it comes from.
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here are two ways in which the luxury tax was fortified in 2011. First, the NBA introduced a progressive rate on the tax.
The tax rate is: 150 percent for amounts up to $5 million over the threshold (worse than the previous 100 percent rate, mind you).
175 percent from $5-10 million.
250 percent from $10-15 million.
325 percent from $15-20 million.
375 percent at $20 million.
425 percent at $25 million.
And so on. In the old days, if you were at or over the tax threshold and re-signed one of your free agents for whom you had Bird rights for $15 million, you’d pay an additional $15 million in tax. These days, doing that same exact transaction would cost you an additional $28.75 million in luxury tax. That’s a huge difference and it does make teams think twice.
Tax is at $132M.
Raptors have $112M in salaries and are about to sign Kawhi to an additional $40M/yr. You do the math on why it would be really dumb to keep Ibaka.
This post was edited on 6/24/19 at 10:15 am
Posted on 6/24/19 at 10:21 am to Pelefraan 1
You have to be a tax team for 3 out of 4 years for the repeater tax.
Only the Warriors and Thunder are in that category.
Only the Warriors and Thunder are in that category.
Posted on 6/24/19 at 10:21 am to Pelefraan 1
They aren’t in the repeater. But they potentially will be long-term if they extend Kawhi and give Gasol a new deal.
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